Us Airways Merger Update District 142

[320tech]

No the pension termination was not voted on, it was done by Judge Mitchell prior to any contract vote.

We have a 401k with a company match and a company defined contribution plan still. And the terminated pension was taken over by the PBGC and the current and future retirees who particpated in the plan will still get benefits, which will be reduced.

What kind of retirement do you get at HP if you don't participate in the 401k?

Better check your facts.

So how many HP mechs perform overhaul?

Are they working at Timco in Macon, GA or Aeroman in San Salvador, El Salvador?

boy 700 how many times do we have to tell you before if get it through your head, we still do our own phase c checks on the newer airbusses, and many of the techs here did our own c-checks and d-checks before Bill Franke not the teamsters got rid of them, and we keep telling you and you still don't understand that no mx that is done in house now will not be farmed out that includes the work you guys do. read our scope its preaty clear. the companey tried to close columbus Oh a few years ago and tried to use contract mx to do the work but the teamsters stopped it and the company had to keep our guys on shift to take care of the flights that go through columbus. as I remember us pulled all thier maint out of columbus and the contracted out all tier mx I know that because awa did your work for you. so why didn't your IAM save the jobs in cmh for your employees. just answer that and quit talking about something the IBT had no controll over and something your IAM did in cmh!

 

[700UW]

The airbus overhaul is performed at Aeroman in San Salvador, a phase c is an overnight check, not heavy maintenance.

And the ibt was certified in 1996 and you have not brought back any overhaul in-house since then.

 

[320tech]

The airbus overhaul is performed at Aeroman in San Salvador, a phase c is an overnight check, not heavy maintenance.

And the ibt was certified in 1996 and you have not brought back any overhaul in-house since then.

wrong again mr 700 a phace c is heavy mx performed over a period of time southwest has been doin g it for a while, and answer the question I asked you about Columbus Oh when you guys layed off all your mx there and contracted out thier work to us and lane aviation.

 

[700UW]

CMH was a third shift only operation for US and it was shut down US had to gaurantee 33 three shift maintenance stations, not just some third shift operation.

 

[robbedagain]

this may be dumb but what is a phase c check ona plane?

 

[320tech]

CMH was a third shift only operation for US and it was shut down US had to gaurantee 33 three shift maintenance stations, not just some third shift operation.

When I went to cmh to open up awa mx station us airair at the time had all 3 shifts.

a phase c-check is when they break up a normal c-check into many checks overtime so they can have the aircraft to use during the daytime to fly. in our case it was started on the new airbuses when the come into our fleet. they still do the same work as a c-check but its broken up. a phase check is out of service for around 12-16 hours overnight instead of being out for 1-2 weeks or even longer if major work is needed.
but either way its still heavy maint. it just not done all at one time.

 

[Bird Doctor]

Put up or shut up Gonzo.

You made an accusation now be a man and back it up or retract it.

I am calling you out.

Like you retracted your statment be a man 7 step up and tell everyone how you where WRONG

ANSWER the question

QUOTE(700UW @ Oct 22 2005, 09:44 AM)
We gain Scope, Heavy mtc and gaurantees, and we keep our seniority, also our pay will surpase yours as we have gauranted raises over the life of the contract and your no raises in yours till you ever get a new one.

QUOTE(Bird Doctor @ Oct 22 2005)
YOU MAKE THIS TO EASY

I dont see how you passed the third grade? I'm toped out at $23.35 + $2.00 for lic. + .35 shift pay = $25.70 OH I work in the hanger just so numbers are the same. Just a wrench. IAM top out $22.77 + $1.00 for lic. + .00 shift pay =23.77 with your whooping 1% 2006,1% 2007, 2%2008, 2% 2009 That is $24.00/06 and $24.25/07 and $24.73/08 and $25.22/09 That is good math in 4 years you will still be .55 cents behind what I'm making NOW

That is $3536.00 less in 06, $3016.00i n 07, $2018.00 in 08, and $999.00 in 09 ==TOTAL OF $9569.00

Would you like to retrack your statement about PAY???




QUOTE(700UW @ Oct 22 2005, 09:44 AM)
We have a matching 401K, sorry to let the facts get in the way of your rant.

Right again you do get a 2% match not like our 6%. How silly of me to think that 6 is more than 2.



So lets see going with the IBT you loss WHAT?
Gain Pay , Vac, Sick pay, 401k,etc etc etc...
Staying with the IAM what do you gain?

MAKE YOUR POINT
ANSWER the question
Read your agreement

No the pension termination was not voted on, it was done by Judge Mitchell prior to any contract vote.

We have a 401k with a company match and a company defined contribution plan still. And the terminated pension was taken over by the PBGC and the current and future retirees who particpated in the plan will still get benefits, which will be reduced.

What kind of retirement do you get at HP if you don't participate in the 401k?

Better check your facts.

So how many HP mechs perform overhaul?

Are they working at Timco in Macon, GA or Aeroman in San Salvador, El Salvador?

LIE again your contract was voted on and signed Jan. 31 2005 your RETIREMENT PLAN was deleted from your contract on APR 12 2005

RETRACT YOUR LIES :unsure:

 

[delldude]

Hey Dell what are you trying to say? is it that your older guys that are getting close to retirement don't want a better retirement? your IAM gave away your pension in bk. and you 401 match sucks worst than ours at least we get .50 on the doller up to 6%. how much do you get again? and the teamsers are trying for a pension with the teamsters pension fund. and if we can't get it through our current neg. what do think the IAM will do get your old pension back, I think the days of the old airline pensions are gone look whats happening to all the other airlines the courts are letting them do away with them. so in closing I would think the guys that are close to retirement would rather have a shot of something better now than wait 4 years from the end of this year to even get started on a contract that could drag out for at least 3 years, we are allready over 2 years into our talks now and your going to deal with these same people they don't do fast contracts!

you have no power to "get it back"......you have no power to make it better......
funny your great union hasn't come to terms in your 401k area of your contract because its going to mirror the IAM'S
bend over here it comes again.....

 

[700UW]

Your are the one who is lying, the Judge terminated the pension on January 6, 2005.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

And I stand by my statements.

 

[PITMTC]

Your are the one who is lying, the Judge terminated the pension on January 6, 2005.

And I stand by my statements.

What about the rest of the stuff he questioned? You know the pay and benefits part. Is he correct in his calculations or is he trying to play numbers with the readers?

 

[Bird Doctor]

Your are the one who is lying, the Judge terminated the pension on January 6, 2005.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

And I stand by my statements.

7 you will not tell the truth will you??? Look your retirement plan was deleted on Apr 12 2005 at 4pm.
So you stand by your lies.

EVERONE LOOK AT PG 232 of the contract and see who is telling the truth it is not 7
link to the contract that 7 can't read and read for yourself.
The FACTS are there for you to see.
http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/M_R...ft_9_07_05_.pdf


sign your cards

 

[700UW]

You are looking at a manager's copy of the agreement and that person edited on that date.

Are you that dense that you can't understand Judge Mitchell Terminated the Pension on 1/6/05?

Judge cancels pact between machinists, US Air
Updated: 3:40 p.m. ET Jan. 6, 2005
ARLINGTON, Va. - A bankruptcy judge on Thursday canceled a collective bargaining agreement between US Airways and its machinists union, providing hundreds of millions of dollars in annual savings that the airline says will prevent the need for a quick liquidation.

The judge also approved a request to terminate the pension plans for machinists and flight attendants, as well as a frozen pension plan that was still providing benefits to 28,000 retirees for a potential savings for the airline of $1 billion over five years.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Stephen Mitchell said that “at bottom, it is clear that the debtor’s financial position is so precarious that even with the relief being sought, there will still be grave questions as to whether it can survive.â€￾

MSNBC

Don't let the facts get in the way of your lies.

The judge also terminated three pension plans for US Airways workers and retirees that would have cost the airline nearly $1 billion through 2009 if they remained in effect. Mitchell called the pension obligations a "financial albatross" that would make it impossible for US Airways to attract the investment necessary for it to emerge from bankruptcy.

1/7/05 Oakland Press-good article

 

[delldude]

7
EVERONE LOOK AT PG 232 of the contract and see who is telling the truth it is not 7
link to the contract that 7 can't read and read for yourself.
The FACTS are there for you to see.
http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/M_R...ft_9_07_05_.pdf
sign your cards

funny there guy...i'm on page 232 of my IAM ISSUED CONTRACT BOOKLET and it talks about maintenance planner/technical documentation specialists....funny...where'd you get your info birdman??
i think you've been hoodwinked.
article 21,page 89 deals with pension/retirement.

 

[jack mama]

Please tell us when the NMB is expected to rule on the surviving union, so you guys can end this high school BS!!!

 

[delldude]

EVERONE LOOK AT PG 232 of the contract and see who is telling the truth it is not 7
link to the contract that 7 can't read and read for yourself.
The FACTS are there for you to see.

hey hotdog....why can't i seem to find this stuff on page 232 of my IAM ISSUED CONTRACT BOOKLET??
somebody tell me why he's quoting pages that do not exist in my IAM ISSUED CONTRACT BOOKLET??
hey dude where you get this info??
seems to me you're spreading lies......
maybe then you should seek a real,genuine IAM ISSUED CONTRACT BOOKLET ...