US Airways' motivation to grat the East piltos a pay raise?

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US Airways and the US Airways ALPA Negotiating Committee have held discussions designed to provide the East pilots AWA pilot rates outside of JNC talks.

The motivation for the East pilots is simple. Obtain a pay raise and then not agree to a joint contract, which would keep the two pilot groups separate and prevent the Nicolau Award from being implemented for a long period time.

But, many have asked what would be the Company’s motivation to provide a pay raise outside of joint contract talks.

I believe there could be two points: Labor peace on the East and Turboprop Scope relief.

As far as labor peace, there seems to be an interesting sentiment change if you look closely at recent code-a-phone W.A.R. reports.

For example, on June 21 the code-a-phone told pilots “Carrying excess fuel means carrying extra weight. The flight plan header shows the cost of carrying additional fuel (weight). More importantly, this extra fuel may reduce allowable payload, which imposes additional loss of revenue. This cost multiplied by thousands of flights per year adds up quickly. It costs fuel to carry fuel.â€

Also noteworthy, on July 7 the code-a-phone told pilots “US Airways’ Operational Priorities were: Safety, Passenger Comfort, Schedule, and Efficiency.â€

It appears that ALPA has changed its posture from one of a more hostile sentiment to one of working closer with the Company’

But, could there be even stronger motivation?

Today, the US Airways East pilot contract limits the size of turboprop aircraft seats, which prevents the Q-400 from being flown in the US Airways Express network. Furthermore, the Piedmont Fleet Plan calls for all 56 Dash-8’s to be retired by 2012.

According to Air Transport World, US Airways Express president Robert Martens said at the Regional Airline Association conference and exhibition in Memphis, Tennessee, US Airways will issue an RFP will cover a mix of new 50- and 70-seat turboprops. Furthermore, it is my understanding the Company has approached the Piedmont MEC about flying the Q-400 and desiring to enter into discussions on pay rates. The challenge: The US Airways pilot contract scope language prevents the Q-400 from being flown at an Express carrier. Therefore, for the Q-400 to be flown in US Airways’ network the East pilots would need to grant scope relief. And, since this flying is not covered by the Transition Agreement, the West pilot group may not have a say in the decision on whether or not the East pilots grant this relief.

Click here to read the story.

Furthermore, Air Transport World reported a year we ago we announced we were looking at replacement [for the Piedmont fleet] but we redirected our attention to a larger order for the mainline," a US Airways spokesperson told ATWOnline. "Now that the mainline order is out, we will focus our attention on Piedmont."

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Meanwhile, the FAA’s proposed rule on demand management at LaGuardia is now scheduled to be implemented on October 31, 2007. The rules intent is to change the habits of airlines operating to LGA from midsize and large hubs. According to the FAA, "While we recognize that service to nonhub and small-hub airports may only support commuter aircraft, serving medium and large airports repeatedly throughout the day with the smaller gauge aircraft does not maximize passenger throughput or the use of a constrained resource," it says. The proposed rule satisfies "a larger share of consumer demand."

Furthermore, the FAA will enforce the rule "through a use-or-lose provision which would require carriers to report the average number of seats offered," says the NPRM. "FAA first would withdraw the operating authorization(s) operated using the smallest aircraft. The number of operating authorizations withdrawn would depend on how far off target the carrier's operations were over the preceding year."

Therefore, is US Airways’ “executive suite†interested in providing the East pilots a pay raise in exchange for labor peace and replacing the Piedmont Dash 8’s with Q-400’s, which could be used to support the FAA’s NPRM LGA Demand Management program, since the Transition Agreement would not preclude the East pilots from granting scope relief while the East and West mainline pilots remain separate?

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
Let's see . . . Dougie is going to increase pilot salaries 10-15% just so he can order a few larger turboprops . . . keep on dreaming . . .
 
US Airways cannot order the Q-400 and fly it in the US Airways Express network without Mainline East ALPA Scope relief.

US Airways can order and fly a 64-seat ATR, but I understand that is the "exeuctive suites" Plan "B".

Within the past couple of week's US Airways has held discussions with ALPA about adding the Q-400 to the Piedmont fleet; however, for this to occur the East pilots must grant approval.

Meanwhile, acocrding to US Airways ALPA MEC Chairman in a July 7 letter to the pilots, "The Negotiating Committee has sent parity pay rates to management and we expect to hear from them shortly."

Furthermore, Stephan has scheduled a Special East MEC meeting that will commence at 9:00 a.m., on Thursday, July 12 and one of the three agenda items is a "report from the Negotiating Committee regarding the proposed parity negotiations."

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
So basically, you guys want your cake and eat it too. Not gonna happen :down: You want a raise? How bout a REAL raise. Come sit with us and help hammer it out.
 
Jet Monkey said: "So basically, you guys want your cake and eat it too. Not gonna happen You want a raise? How bout a REAL raise. Come sit with us and help hammer it out."

USA320Pilot comments: Nope, it ain't gonna happen!

But, here is what I know to be fact:

• US Airways and ALPA are discussing the Q-400 to be flown at Piedmont, which requires US Airways East scope relief.

• US Airways East ALPA has presented the Company with a pay proposal outside of JNC talks.

• US Airways East and West ALPA is required to bargain per the Transition Agreement for a joint contract, but no party is required to reach or sign a deal.

• The Nicolau Award cannot be implemented without a joint contract.

• US Airways ALPA MEC chairman Jack Stephan has scheduled a Special MEC meeting for July 12-13 and one of the three agenda items is to receive a "report from the Negotiating Committee regarding the proposed parity negotiations."

Will the East obtain a TA on a pay raise outside of JNC talks?

I do not know, but what I do know is it's being discussed between the Company and the East Negotiating Committee (noticed I did not say Joint Negotiating Committee). And, apparently the East now has something the Company wants, Q-400 scope relief, which can be exchanged for a pay raise if the MEC elects this is the best course of action.

Meanwhile, Stephan told the East pilots on July 7, "And the Nicolau Award, while our singular focus, may very well be in litigation for some period of time." Stephan continued, "how management, the AWA pilot leadership or any other party can single out our pilot group and endorse this injustice (separate pay scales between East and West pilots) is inconceivable and it is going to be up to us to put an end to it. If equal pay for equal work is the mantra for our senior executives, I say let it be ours! The Negotiating Committee has sent parity pay rates to management and we expect to hear from them shortly."

Regards,

USA320Pilot

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US Airways cannot order the Q-400 and fly it in the US Airways Express network without Mainline East ALPA Scope relief.

US Airways can order and fly a 64-seat ATR, but I understand that is the "exeuctive suites" Plan "B".

Within the past couple of week's US Airways has held discussions with ALPA about adding the Q-400 to the Piedmont fleet; however, for this to occur the East pilots must grant approval.

Meanwhile, acocrding to US Airways ALPA MEC Chairman in a July 7 letter to the pilots, "The Negotiating Committee has sent parity pay rates to management and we expect to hear from them shortly."

Furthermore, Stephan has scheduled a Special East MEC meeting that will commence at 9:00 a.m., on Thursday, July 12 and one of the three agenda items is a "report from the Negotiating Committee regarding the proposed parity negotiations."

Regards,

USA320Pilot

I never realized the US Airways pilots were such a bunch of bottom feeders. Our payrates at AWA are TERRIBLE!!!!! Yet you would happily agree to fly 'for years' under our sub-standard payrates just to keep the Nicalou award from being implemented. You would NEVER see a pilot group like Delta, AMR, or UAL agree to whore themselves out in such a fashion. What a piece of work you are. Too bad we can't change the mandatory retirement age to 55 and send you out to pasture.