US Airways' New Pilot Leader Calls Himself a 'Peacemaker'

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US Airways' New Pilot Leader Calls Himself a 'Peacemaker'

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Note: This article would normally be placed in the Pilot's Labor Discussion topic; however, many readers do not visit that thread. Therefore, I elected to start a new topic with this article because there is an important shift in the pilot union's leadership sentiment. I believe this will have a positive effect on all of US Airways' stakeholders: shareholders, customers, and employees alike, wihich is why I made this a separate topic.
 
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He got 90% of the vote so we must no longer have any east vs west pilot issues, yea!!!!!!!


Unless no west pilots voted.
 

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US Airways' New Pilot Leader Calls Himself a 'Peacemaker'

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Note: This article would normally be placed in the Pilot's Labor Discussion topic; however, many readers do not visit that thread. Therefore, I elected to start a new topic with this article because there is an important shift in the pilot union's leadership sentiment. I believe this will have a positive effect on all of US Airways' stakeholders: shareholders, customers, and employees alike, wihich is why I made this a separate topic.

Don't know much about him, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He will probably pursue DOH. Will he allow that to play out in the courts and not flat out wage war on the west? Guess, we'll see.
 

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He got 90% of the vote so we must no longer have any east vs west pilot issues, yea!!!!!!!

Unless no west pilots voted.
The linked article says that 89.3% of eligible pilots voted and of those, the winner received 63% of the votes.

Kind a stretch to call the USAPA a "union" as it's really just an organization formed in an attempt to evade an arbitration result that some members found unfavorable or objectionable.
 
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The linked article says that 89.3% of eligible pilots voted and of those, the winner received 63% of the votes.

Kind a stretch to call the USAPA a "union" as it's really just an organization formed in an
attempt to evade an arbitration result that some members found unfavorable or objectionable.
Shhhhhhh....you don't want to awaken the dreamers with the obvious B)
 
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The linked article says that 89.3% of eligible pilots voted and of those, the winner received 63% of the votes.

Kind a stretch to call the USAPA a "union" as it's really just an organization formed in an attempt to evade an arbitration result that some members found unfavorable or objectionable.

Yeah, I know after all those years of ALPA its hard to imagine a union that pushes the will of the majority of its pilots, that certainly can't be a union can it?
 
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Yeah, I know after all those years of ALPA its hard to imagine a union that pushes the will of the majority of its pilots, that certainly can't be a union can it?
And how many court cases and arbitration rulings has USAPA lost in its relatively short existence of pushing the will of the majority?
 

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And how many court cases and arbitration rulings has USAPA lost in its relatively short existence of pushing the will of the majority?


While I wish Mr Hummel well I think he's NOT a Peacemaker, but might need a "Peacemaker"

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And how many court cases and arbitration rulings has USAPA lost in its relatively short existence of pushing the will of the majority?
If you try to keep up you will see that the point is that the union adheres to the will of its members as embodied in the majority. You threw a curve ball to left field. :lol:
 

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If you try to keep up you will see that the point is that the union adheres to the will of its members as embodied in the majority. You threw a curve ball to left field. :lol:
Still, it would seem that the majority misinterprets collective bargaining agreements and the RLA about 90% of the time based on USAPA's astonishingly poor legal track record.
 

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Still, it would seem that the majority misinterprets collective bargaining agreements and the RLA about 90% of the time based on USAPA's astonishingly poor legal track record.

I don't know what your point is, but the majority is still the majority and the union ain't off in left field forging its own path.
 

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I don't know what your point is, but the majority is still the majority and the union ain't off in left field forging its own path.
RICO - fail, dismissed with prejudice
Addington - fail on merits, injunction issued
Additington appeal, successful on ripeness; no ruling on merits
LOA93 - fail, complete waste of time, money and resources
Status Quo (NC) - fail, permanent injunction
Status Quo (NY) - fail, dismissed with prejudice
DJ (PHX) - failed on MTD and several other procedural issues, not looking good based on Siegel's neutral position on Seniority

There's probably more that I'm not remembering, but the results are the same. USAPA acting on the wishes of the majority fails in spectacular fashion on a regular basis.
 

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One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

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Yes it is.

You don't get to break labor law because the majority wants to.


Which for me begs the question as to why there is "Labor Law" in the first place? In a free market the Government should have no business whatsoever interfering with a contract between an employer and an individual or organized group of individuals.

So called "Fairness" is a joke of a reason as Government by its very nature picks a side by virtue of appointments to the various regulatory agencies. Democrats get in and rig the NLRB deck in favor of Big Labor. Republicans the opposite.

The laws of economics must be allowed to operate otherwise you get "Bubbles" like Real Estate. Same for Labor.