US and IRAN...reach NUKE deal !

[delldude]

 
Who exactly?  And buy the way 4000 of our boys died due to the lying/incompetence of GWB.

 
Following up on previous Clinton Doctrine.

 

[delldude]

 
Who exactly?  And buy the way 4000 of our boys died due to the lying/incompetence of GWB.

 
In other words, GWB ran a good war?

 

[SparrowHawk]

They usually just ignore me and go on huffing and puffing about Twerrwists. Kinda like Elmer Fudd and the wabbits.

 

[Ifly2]

W came just about an rch from losing Iraq totally
He did have the sense to call Gates, in desperation


Failed utterly in Afghanistan against the actual terrorists and their supporters
That was who he said we were after
Liar

 

[777 fixer]

 
Following up on previous Clinton Doctrine.

 
So it's everyone's fault except for the guy who signed the order?  That's what it sounds like.  Or is this some round about way to admit that the war was a mistake.  Before this it was "Look at the democrats in congress who voted for it".  Then it was "Look at all the countries that believed that Saddam had an active WMD program".  And now it's "Bill Clinton made it official policy for regime change in Iraq".
 
Problem with all those arguments is that at the end of the day only one person had the poser to send in the troops.

 

[777 fixer]

 
In other words, GWB ran a good war?

 
I find it disturbing that you consider 4000 KIA for nothing as running a good war.

 

[southwind]

Now, according to the Demorat Village Idiot, no, not Biden, Kerry says the U.S. dollar will no longer dominate, if the Iran deal is scraped.......talk about your gullible minions!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Kerry is IMO a putz. The Secretary of Putzdom.
 
However you'd do well to take notice of how currency works and who we decide to make noce to in the Middle East.
 
Saddam Hussein decided to abandon the Saudi led Petrodollar scheme. Where is he now?
 
Muammar Gaddaf​I decided to trade oil in Euro and before you could say or spell Bendhazi, , POOF he was gone.
 
Iran, OTOH either has or will have a nuclear weapon so they trade oil in any currency they bloody well choose. As a result they are vilified in the national media. See a pattern here????
 
19 Saudi Arabian  born terrorists fly into the WTC on 9/11 and we invade Iraq and then Libya? If you think the world isn't run by an oligarchy of central bankers then IMO you haven't been paying attention.

 

[southwind]

Kerry is IMO a putz. The Secretary of Putzdom.
 
However you'd do well to take notice of how currency works and who we decide to make noce to in the Middle East.
 
Saddam Hussein decided to abandon the Saudi led Petrodollar scheme. Where is he now?
 
Muammar Gaddaf​I decided to trade oil in Euro and before you could say or spell Bendhazi, , POOF he was gone.
 
Iran, OTOH either has or will have a nuclear weapon so they trade oil in any currency they bloody well choose. As a result they are vilified in the national media. See a pattern here????
 
19 Saudi Arabian  born terrorists fly into the WTC on 9/11 and we invade Iraq and then Libya? If you think the world isn't run by an oligarchy of central bankers then IMO you haven't been paying attention.

But WAIT! I thought the BaRack Hussein Obama's Iran deal was suppose to slow down Iran's nuclear weapons quest, not speed it up!

 

[Ifly2]

It is

Hero of the right Bibi said so

When Cotton and the rest of the Israel First bunch in Congress were busy kissin his butt, it was going to happen in less than a year

When the deal was announced, The Bibi went in about how now Irqn would habe a nuke in 10-15 years

That is slowed down, with 10-15 times the opportunity to prevent it happening altogether.

 

[delldude]

 
I find it disturbing that you consider 4000 KIA for nothing as running a good war.

 
54,000 less than than LBJ's war.
So 58,000 died for a 'good cause' in Vietnam?

 

[Ifly2]

Still trying to defend Iraq?

That is so nearly unbelievable

It must be one of those Divine Mysteries


Did god tell you that invading a country that did nothing to us and was no threat to ours and then killing 100,000 or so of the wrong people, expressly for the purpose of forcing our ways on them was the right thing to do?

Don't we have a name for that sort of thing?

 

[delldude]

I (lazily).. didn't provide a linK THIS TIME, but it's all over the News (maybe even Fuux news) !
 
It always seems like there is a  " D ",.....sitting in '1600, when enemys are (somewhat) brought together !!
 
Cuba,.......Northern Ireland..... and now Iran.
 
W H Y   is that....... 'southwind / La  La  La  ?

 
Looking like you were trick phucked into a false state of euphoric glee.
 

 
Well, based on the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) Special Dispatch #6131, dated August 10, 2015, President Obama may not end up having a great vacay after all, and it’s to spin up ol’ Josh “not so” Earnest.
 
As reported by the Washington Free Beacon, “President Barack Obama approved of Iran’s right to operate a nuclear program in 2011 during secret meetings with Iranian officials, according to new disclosures by Iran’s Supreme Leader.
 
The comments, made earlier this year by Ali Khamenei, dispute claims by the Obama administration that it only began talking to Iran after the election of President Hassan Rouhani. Khamenei revealed in a recent speech that talks began in secret with anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying former President Mahmoud Ahmadenejad.
At this time, Obama told the Iranians he endorses Iran’s right to have a nuclear program. “The issue of negotiating with the Americans is related to the term of the previous [Ahmadinejad] government, and to the dispatching of a mediator to Tehran to request talks,” Khamenei said in a recent speech translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).
 
“At the time, a respected regional figure came to me as a mediator and explicitly said that U.S. President [Obama] had asked him to come to Tehran and present an American request for negotiations,” Khamenei disclosed. “The Americans told this mediator: ‘We want to solve the nuclear issue and lift sanctions within six months, while recognizing Iran as a nuclear power.’” “I told that mediator that I did not trust the Americans and their words, but after he insisted, I agreed to reexamine this topic, and negotiations began,” Khamenei added.”
 
And how exactly did all this go down back even before the 2012 reelection? First of all, the MEMRI Special Dispatch alleges that before becoming Secretary of State, then Senator John Kerry, entered into negotiations with Iran while Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
 
“Secretary of State John Kerry sent a letter to Iran stating that the United States “recognizes Iran’s rights regarding” nuclear enrichment, according to another senior Iranian official, Hossein Sheikh Al-Islam.
 
“We came to the [secret] negotiations [with the United States] after Kerry wrote a letter and sent it to us via [mediator Omani Sultan Qaboos], stating that America officially recognizes Iran’s rights regarding the [nuclear fuel] enrichment cycle,” Al-Islam said in a recent interview with Iran’s Tasnim news agency, according to MEMRI. “Then there were two meetings in Oman between the [Iranian and U.S.] deputy foreign ministers, and after those, Sultan Qaboos was dispatched by Obama to Khamenei with Kerry’s letter,” the official added. Khamenei went on to tell him at the time: “‘I don’t trust them.’ Sultan Qaboos said: ‘Trust them one more time.’ On this basis the negotiations began, and not on the basis of sanctions, as they [the Americans] claim in their propaganda.”
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/obama-signed-off-on-irans-right-to-nuclear-program-in-2011/

 
http://allenbwest.com/2015/08/bombshell-the-2011-secret-about-the-iran-deal-obama-is-trying-to-hide/

 

[SparrowHawk]

IMO, there can be no defense of any of our actions in the Middle East post the 1954 CIA led overthrow of the dully elected government of Iran. Wonder why they called us "The Great Satan"? I would too if they took out my President and replaced him with a brutal dictator, one who likely couldn't spell civil liberties much less allow people to have them. Today the is a large secular population in Iran which keep the mullahs at a respectful distance and amenable to modest negotiations.
 
The notion of diplomacy is a great one JFK kept from blowing up the world by engaging it it. Current problem is Barack Obama and John Kerry don't collectively make a pimple on JFK's ass talent waise.

 

[777 fixer]

 
54,000 less than than LBJ's war.
So 58,000 died for a 'good cause' in Vietnam?

 
That just confirmed something for me.