US and IRAN...reach NUKE deal !

[Ms Tree]

You've never heard of "Operation Desert Storm"?  I mean....that one was the birth of the Hummer....go in, kick ass and take names....stop short of taking out Saddam because as our secretary of defense said at the time.

That SecDef sounds like a really smart guy. Wonder what happened to him. I wish he would have been. ....say .... the VP to W Bush so that maybe we.would not have made such a bone head move. Too bad huh?

 

[delldude]

 
Your cavalier attitude about it says otherwise.

 
Noun or adjective?

 

[cltrat]

 
Noun or adjective?

you're wasting your time dude, he'd blame Bush if he got indigestion one day, meanwhile the left is always willing to give obama and clinton a free pass on anything

 

[KCFlyer]

you're wasting your time dude, he'd blame Bush if he got indigestion one day, meanwhile the left is always willing to give obama and clinton a free pass on anything

 
Speaking as someone who never voted for Clinton....Clinton stopped short of a "coalition of the willing", comprised of Britain and a bunch of countries that needed our money,  to invade Iraq.  The mess that was created there is on Bush's hands.   Besides...had Clinton addressed the looming threat....the "smoking gun coming in the form of a mushroom cloud" that necessitated an immediate invasion...it would have been considered by the war supporters of 2003 to have been a tactic to divert attention from the blowjob.
 
 You think we give Clinton and Obama passes....you guys won't come out and say Bush and Cheney were wrong.  And the result of their mistake was the rise of ISIS.  After all, before we invaded Iraq, Jacques Chirac had said that the only thing we would accomplish would be the creation of "a lot of little bin ladens'.  That is spelled ISIS.  You guys ate freedom fries and blame the rise of ISIS on Obama.  That's called giving Bush  a pass.  

 

[delldude]

Wouldn't have happened if Hussein hadn't created the illusion of still messing with WMD's on Clinton's watch. Don't forget, it was Clinton who made it US policy of removing Saddam.
And then there's the little issue of the CIA National Intelligence Estimate and Tenet giving the thumbs up to Bush/Cheney.
And Bush lied? Good thing oBama never lied.

 

[KCFlyer]

Wouldn't have happened if Hussein hadn't created the illusion of still messing with WMD's on Clinton's watch. Don't forget, it was Clinton who made it US policy of removing Saddam.
And then there's the little issue of the CIA National Intelligence Estimate and Tenet giving the thumbs up to Bush/Cheney.
And Bush lied? Good thing oBama never lied.

 
Clinton would have made a case with the rest of the developed world before invading.  Had it happened under Clinton, France, Germany, Russia, Japan, and China (among others) would have been part of that "coalition of the willing".  And the right would still be claiming it was a diversion from a blowjobm
 
 And Hussein's "illusion"...You want to know who ELSE it fooled?  Iran.  Because if Saddam had a nuke, he was more likely to use it there than here.  But....we get rid of Saddam and looky at what Iran does. 

 

[Ms Tree]

 
Clinton would have made a case with the rest of the developed world before invading.  Had it happened under Clinton, France, Germany, Russia, Japan, and China (among others) would have been part of that "coalition of the willing".  And the right would still be claiming it was a diversion from a blowjobm
 
 And Hussein's "illusion"...You want to know who ELSE it fooled?  Iran.  Because if Saddam had a nuke, he was more likely to use it there than here.  But....we get rid of Saddam and looky at what Iran does. 

 
 
Just because Clinton said he wanted to get Hussein ousted does not mean he wanted to invade.  There are other ways to over throw a leader or bring down a regime.

 

[delldude]

 
Clinton would have made a case with the rest of the developed world before invading.  Had it happened under Clinton, France, Germany, Russia, Japan, and China (among others) would have been part of that "coalition of the willing".  And the right would still be claiming it was a diversion from a blowjobm
 
 And Hussein's "illusion"...You want to know who ELSE it fooled?  Iran.  Because if Saddam had a nuke, he was more likely to use it there than here.  But....we get rid of Saddam and looky at what Iran does. 

 
Clinton had absolutely no plan whatsoever of any military action on his legacy.
 
At least you are aware enough of what went on preceding Iraq.
 
Bush isn't/wasn't totally culpable like the left tries to make out. They are still having a hard time getting over 2000.

 

[KCFlyer]

 
Clinton had absolutely no plan whatsoever of any military action on his legacy.
 
At least you are aware enough of what went on preceding Iraq.
 
Bush isn't/wasn't totally culpable like the left tries to make out. They are still having a hard time getting over 2000.

 
Bush had WORLD LEADERS advising against it.  Jacques Chirac for one...HE PREDICTED ISIS.  What did Bush do?  He and Big Dick went to the Capitol dining room for some Freedom Fries.   We really don't know what Clinton would have done in his presidency since he was being questioned about travel, real estate, suicides, cocaine, blowjobs....you name it.  I'm amazed he was able to get as much done as he did given all that. 

 

[delldude]

What do you expect from the French and the rest of the Euro-socialists?
They all couldn't afford it.

 

[777 fixer]

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Clinton had absolutely no plan whatsoever of any military action on his legacy.
 
At least you are aware enough of what went on preceding Iraq.
 
Bush isn't/wasn't totally culpable like the left tries to make out. They are still having a hard time getting over 2000.

 
Since you were never in the military I'll explain how it works.  As Commander-In-Chief if you order men to war you are ultimately responsible for what happens.  No one else.

 

[SparrowHawk]

While this agreement has more flaws then a new Yugo it is a start. Get a real diplomat and negotiator next go around and perhaps we do better. You have to build trust where none has existed. I don't care of you worship Jesus or Allah Money talks and bullshit walks. If we open the door enough so that the goods and services go back and forth then we win and so do they.
 
Unless you're like me and figure that the whole reason for this has nothing to do with nukes but maintaining the USD as the world's reserve currency. Otherwise there is no real reason for a lopsided deal with secret side deals.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Found on another forum. I will just put it here. With the Carter bashing in full swing by Cruz and Christie, this should be known.

"Reagan, having successfully used dog whistle politics to tap the intolerance and bigotry of Conservative Democrats and the Religious Right, came into office on the tails of Carter successfully negotiating the release of the Iran hostages. Further, Paul Volcker at the Fed, having successfully tamed inflation, lowered interest rates giving Reagan a HUGE gift. And what did Reagan do? He lowered taxes for everyone, with the lion's share to the rich, while bloating up the DOD's budget. This was the equivalent of Dubya giving tax cuts during wartime and deficit wildfires followed. Reagan was unable to tame the wildfire even after 11 tax increases, one of which was a payroll tax that impacted the middle and lower classes tremendously. He left office with a historical (for the time) deficit AND a fast track in the increasing gap between the rich and everyone elseleading to the great inequality we see today. THAT makes Reagan, in my opinion, the worse president in our modern history, followed by Dubya...

...on HW Bush, he got stuck with Reagan's mess, and he had to raise taxes to prevent the economy from going over the cliff. He sacrificed a second term for the sake of the country, as did Carter. And BOTH were lambasted for doing so."

 

[KCFlyer]

What do you expect from the French and the rest of the Euro-socialists?
They all couldn't afford it.

Don't look now....but neither could we.

 

[KCFlyer]

Found on another forum. I will just put it here. With the Carter bashing in full swing by Cruz and Christie, this should be known.

"Reagan, having successfully used dog whistle politics to tap the intolerance and bigotry of Conservative Democrats and the Religious Right, came into office on the tails of Carter successfully negotiating the release of the Iran hostages. Further, Paul Volcker at the Fed, having successfully tamed inflation, lowered interest rates giving Reagan a HUGE gift. And what did Reagan do? He lowered taxes for everyone, with the lion's share to the rich, while bloating up the DOD's budget. This was the equivalent of Dubya giving tax cuts during wartime and deficit wildfires followed. Reagan was unable to tame the wildfire even after 11 tax increases, one of which was a payroll tax that impacted the middle and lower classes tremendously. He left office with a historical (for the time) deficit AND a fast track in the increasing gap between the rich and everyone elseleading to the great inequality we see today. THAT makes Reagan, in my opinion, the worse president in our modern history, followed by Dubya...

...on HW Bush, he got stuck with Reagan's mess, and he had to raise taxes to prevent the economy from going over the cliff. He sacrificed a second term for the sake of the country, as did Carter. And BOTH were lambasted for doing so."

 
Yep...that's the part that usually gets overlooked by the right when it comes to St Ronnie....the tax cuts did it.  Today the "fix" might involve some "short term pain".  Very few politicians on either side want the country to endure it under THEIR watch.  Carter did it.  He put it all in motion and the country felt the "short term pain" that was a part of the process.  Reagan got a gift...but all the credit apparently goes to one tax cut. I believe he raised them every year after that.  Had Carter been a better politician, he would have kept pushing the fix down the road.  He still may have lost in 1980....but even so, Reagans first term would not be so fondly remembered.