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777 fixer said:
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Since you were never in the military I'll explain how it works.  As Commander-In-Chief if you order men to war you are ultimately responsible for what happens.  No one else.
 
Of course, he was still sending people off to war following the policy laid out previously by the Clinton administration.
 
delldude said:
 
Of course, he was still sending people off to war following the policy laid out previously by the Clinton administration.
 
I find it interesting that some of the most gung ho people are usually the one who never served.
 
The interesting thing about the Reagan tax cuts was this, Rates were lowered and net tax revenue INCREASED. Partly due to the manipulations of Fed Chairman Volcker and other items mentioned by Glenn.
 
Jimmy Carter has a great many positive qualities. MANY! If you want bashing, I'm sorry but you'll have to go elsewhere. However IMO his Presidential years showed us that a genuinely nice person no matter how genuine and sincere does not always make for an effective leader. I recall a pundit who predicted Carter would be A lousy President because he was "To damn Nice".
 
The really great thing about Obama is that now Jimmy Carter will leave us someday NOT being the worst President post WWII.
 
It really saddens me that he didn't do better as POTUS as he was and remains the best Former President the world has ever seen! I've always admired him, even in failure, he always tried to do the right thing and how many of us can say that?
 
agree 100% abou Carter Sparrow  and obama for that matter
 
SparrowHawk said:
The interesting thing about the Reagan tax cuts was this, Rates were lowered and net tax revenue INCREASED. Partly due to the manipulations of Fed Chairman Volcker and other items mentioned by Glenn.
 
Jimmy Carter has a great many positive qualities. MANY! If you want bashing, I'm sorry but you'll have to go elsewhere. However IMO his Presidential years showed us that a genuinely nice person no matter how genuine and sincere does not always make for an effective leader. I recall a pundit who predicted Carter would be A lousy President because he was "To damn Nice".
 
The really great thing about Obama is that now Jimmy Carter will leave us someday NOT being the worst President post WWII.
 
It really saddens me that he didn't do better as POTUS as he was and remains the best Former President the world has ever seen! I've always admired him, even in failure, he always tried to do the right thing and how many of us can say that?
If you say Carter was a failure, you will need to say all POTUS' were failures.

All of our former POTUS have success and not so much success.

Throw in a little 21st century confirmation bias by our infonewstainment industry, and you have what you need to make your case.
 
Glenn Quagmire said:
If you say Carter was a failure, you will need to say all POTUS' were failures.

All of our former POTUS have success and not so much success.

Throw in a little 21st century confirmation bias by our infonewstainment industry, and you have what you need to make your case.
 
Float that in 777's pool, Buddy.
 
During the Carter years<
 
1. I suffered the first and only wage freeze in company history. It was due to be 10% too.
2. When I bought my first house I was bragging about my small local bank only charging me 12.5% Interest
3. I remember the failed hostage attempt.
4. 1976 was the beginning if the end of Big Steel, Manufacturing and even the garment industry collapsed.
 
So yeah, to me he is a good man and a not so good POTUS. Compared to the guy we got now he looks like RR & JFK all rolled into one. He may not have been the best but he never tried to take away our Liberty.
 
SparrowHawk said:
During the Carter years<
 
1. I suffered the first and only wage freeze in company history. It was due to be 10% too.
 
 
For a libertarian you certainly like to blame your problems on other people.  And tell me how this was Carters fault.
 
SparrowHawk said:
During the Carter years<
 
2. When I bought my first house I was bragging about my small local bank only charging me 12.5% Interest
 
Tell me how the President controls interest rates.
 
SparrowHawk said:
During the Carter years<
3. I remember the failed hostage attempt.
 
 
Tragic event to be sure.  Carter also inherited a military that was bleed dry by the Vietnam war.
 
 
SparrowHawk said:
During the Carter years<
 
4. 1976 was the beginning if the end of Big Steel, Manufacturing and even the garment industry collapsed.
 
So you remember the year Carter won as the year these industries collapsed?  Yeah right.
 
SparrowHawk said:
The really great thing about Obama is that now Jimmy Carter will leave us someday NOT being the worst President post WWII.
 
There will probably never be an objective analysis of various presidencies till long after anyone who has memory of it is long dead.  Myself I would give that prize to LBJ and GWB.  Two guys who didn't know when to back down from a fight.  And we will be living with their mistakes for a LONG time.
 
SparrowHawk said:
During the Carter years<
 
 
2. When I bought my first house I was bragging about my small local bank only charging me 12.5% Interest
 
 
Thank God we elected Reagan.  When I bought my first house in 1988, My interest rate was only 11%.  
 
AS for that first pay freeze in your companies history....were they founded after 1971?  Because Nixon implemented a national wage and price freeze back then.
 
LBJ is certainly a worthy contender for the dubious distinction. As to GWB? He's not quite "ripe" enough and frankly neither is Obama for the ranking.
I assume that Nixon is excluded?
 
Presidents rightfully or wrongfully get the blame for the state of the economy  and the Carter years were pretty gruesome. Now some would argue that Carter through Paul Volcker's Federal Reserve liquidated the toxic debt and set the stage for the Reagan Recovery. The rampant inflation that resulted in the creation of the "Misery Index". If you take that view then Carter was a very wise man, it will just take history a while to process.
 
Say what you will about Jimmy Carter but he stood tall and stood on his beliefs and principles. Everyday he laced up the metaphorical gloves and climbed into the arena. He fought a lot and he got beat a lot but he never gave in, Not to this very day. Retired he took the lead with Habitat for Humanity. A charity I support to this very day. Now he's 90 and going toe to toe with a very powerful foe, Brain Cancer. Don't count him out just yet.
 
777 fixer said:
Tell me how the President controls interest rates.
 
 
He appoints Volker knowing he will raise the interest rates and most likely cause a recession.
Prior to appointing Volker, I'm sure Carter had lengthly discussions on the issue.....much like every President before .
 
 
The narrative is wrong, however, for thoroughly documentable reasons. First, it was Carter not Reagan who appointed Volcker a full 14 months before Reagan became president. Carter knew that Volcker would raise rates sharply probably causing a recession but told his counselors who advised against the appointment to let him worry about the politics.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-a-london/inflation-the-reagan-myth_b_3418868.html
 
delldude said:
He appoints Volker knowing he will raise the interest rates and most likely cause a recession.
Prior to appointing Volker, I'm sure Carter had lengthly discussions on the issue.....much like every President before .
Using that logic then I guess the President has control over the Supreme Court.
 
777 fixer said:
Using that logic then I guess the President has control over the Supreme Court.
 
How does one get on the Supreme Court?
 
We elect them?
 
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