Us East Coast Rampers

[D M G]

Why is it that all other work groups at US go by Date of Hire, but the ramp doesn't? Does anyone know the reason for this?

[post="294300"][/post]​

Because the people in power feel that class date is more fair than hire date.

Here's the logic behind it:

FSA #1 was hired part time on 6-1-1981. He has a full time job as a school teacher, and took the job with the company for the flight benefits which he can use while on break from teaching.

FSA #2 was hired part time on 6-2-1981, and holds no other job. He took the job hoping it leads to full time, at which time he'll earn a decent living.

On 6-30-1981 the company is upgrading FSA to full time, at which time FSA #1 turns it down and FSA #2 takes the upgrade.

Over the next 10 years FSA #1 works 20 hours per week, repeatedly turns down full time, is able to hold weekends off after one year, holds daywork during the summer months (could hold it permanent if it wasn't for teaching), and get prime weeks for vacation.

During the same time frame FSA #2 works 40 hours per week, is able to get part of a weekend off after 10 years, can't touch daywork, and is forced to take his three weeks of vacation between January and March or October thru the second week of November.

The city these agents work in expands and FSA #1 sees that he can hold daywork, full time. He's now at the top of the payscale and realizes that he'd be better off quiting his teaching job and going full time at the airline, so he does.

Bid time is here and there is only 1 full time daywork line left. Who deserves it more? Who should get it? FSA #1 or FSA #2.

No question in my mind it should be FSA #2. FSA #1 deserves to have his service time cut in half, therefore we have classification date.

JMHO

 

[Ramp Rogue]

DMG,

If Ramp Agent #1 was hired p/t in city X on 6/1/81, but there were no f/t openings in city x for the next 8 years, and they couldn't transfer to another city because of whatever reason is it their fault?

If ramp agent #2 is hired p/t in city Z on 6/2/81, but city Z needs f/t's in 1982 is it fair for r/a #2 to be put ahead of #1 in seniority? No!!!!!! #1 was hired a day before #2, #1 will always be the senior agent. Personal and geographical reasons play a very big part in why a person can or cannot accept a f//t position as opposed to a p/t position. And vice versa. That does not mean that they aren't earning their rightful seniority. A persons seniority shouldn't be taken away from them because of whatever situation they are personally in. DOH is the only fair way to go. That is why all the other work groups at US go by DOH.

 

[700UW]

In maintenance for seniority is classification date not date of hire.

For example if you have 10 years as utility and then upgrade to stores or mechanic you dont get your date of hire for bidding purposes you get the day you started in that classification. But you do bid your vacation by date under the contract.

 

[wings396]

I was always in favor of Classification date as well for the above listed reason. I knew of many agents that were P/T for 10+ years by their own choice. When they decided to take a F/T position, they should be behind those who have worked F/T longer than they have. It boils down to how many hours you worked over a given period of time. The F/T agent with 9 years of 40 hr weeks has put in many more hours than the agent who was P/T for 10+ years.

 

[D M G]

DMG,

If Ramp Agent #1 was hired p/t in city X on 6/1/81, but there were no f/t openings in city x for the next 8 years, and they couldn't transfer to another city because of whatever reason is it their fault?

If ramp agent #2 is hired p/t in city Z on 6/2/81, but city Z needs f/t's in 1982 is it fair for r/a #2 to be put ahead of #1 in seniority? No!!!!!! #1 was hired a day before #2, #1 will always be the senior agent. Personal and geographical reasons play a very big part in why a person can or cannot accept a f//t position as opposed to a p/t position. And vice versa. That does not mean that they aren't earning their rightful seniority. A persons seniority shouldn't be taken away from them because of whatever situation they are personally in. DOH is the only fair way to go. That is why all the other work groups at US go by DOH.

[post="294489"][/post]​

Working at U used to be a career, and part timers were there only to supplement the full time workforce. That's why there used to be a low maximum number, I think 10% of the FSA headcount, that the company was allowed to keep part time. Remember when full timers got first dibs at all the overtime, including the part time lines? That's because it was their career, not a job just to get free flights or medical benefits.

Your argument about an agent being hired in a city that he can't get the upgrade to full time holds no weight. No one forces anyone to take the job, and anyone with an ounce of brainpower can see within the first week of being hired in MDT/ABE/SCE that your chance of going full time are slim to none compared to PHL/PIT. As far as not taking full time because of personal reasons, too bad. FSA # 2 works double the scheduled hours that FSA #1 works and his seniority should reflect that.

You bring up other work groups and them using DOH. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember there being any part time mechanics or utility. Therefore there's no need for a seperate date unless you transfer to the other craft or class. I'm not sure why Cust Svc uses DOH, but my guess is that either the company forced them to use it because it's easier to administer than all the different dates or the agents in power wanted it that way.

 

[700UW]

There were part-time Utility in the 1999 contract, PIT, PHL and CLT had them.

 

[D M G]

There were part-time Utility in the 1999 contract, PIT, PHL and CLT had them.

[post="294533"][/post]​

I couldn't remember if they had recently added them or not, but for the longest time there were none.

 

[700UW]

They were around in 2000 and laid-off in towards the end of 01 and begining of 02 and only remained in PHL till the elimination of line utility.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

D M G,[/COLOR]Aug 30 2005, 07:08 AM]
FSA # 2 works double the scheduled hours that FSA #1 works and his seniority should reflect that.

[post="294528"][/post]​

There are many p/timers that work more hours per week than f/timers do. Yet they don't get the credit for the time that they work. Is that fair? I don't think so. F/timers get credit for every hour they work up to 40 hours. P/timers should get the same credit.

When you are p/t depending on what city you work in you may be scheduled as little as 2 hours per day or as many as 6.5. No matter how many hours you work you only get credit for a certain amount of them. With that said a 2 hour per day worker gets the same seniority as a 6 hour per day worker. If that is fair by your standards, then a 6 hour daily worker should get the same seniority credit as an 8 hour per day worker.

DMG,
The way you look at it is that we are all equal. But f/timers are more equal than p/timers. We are all in the same boat. We should all accrue seniority on a level paying field.

 

[D M G]

There are many p/timers that work more hours per week than f/timers do. Yet they don't get the credit for the time that they work. Is that fair? I don't think so. F/timers get credit for every hour they work up to 40 hours. P/timers should get the same credit.

When you are p/t depending on what city you work in you may be scheduled as little as 2 hours per day or as many as 6.5. No matter how many hours you work you only get credit for a certain amount of them. With that said a 2 hour per day worker gets the same seniority as a 6 hour per day worker. If that is fair by your standards, then a 6 hour daily worker should get the same seniority credit as an 8 hour per day worker.

DMG,
The way you look at it is that we are all equal. But f/timers are more equal than p/timers. We are all in the same boat. We should all accrue seniority on a level paying field.

[post="294712"][/post]​

That's why I said "scheduled" hours. If you want to add the extra hours a part timer works then you need to do the same for the full timers. It'll never happen though.

Part time used to only be 4 hour shifts, and IMO still should only be that length. The company created a mess with the different shifts, but the bottom line is that you're still part time and your seniority will dictate the number of hours a week you're scheduled for. You should not get the same credit as someone scheduled for 40 hours/week.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.