Usa320pilot Was Wrong

[usairways_vote_NO]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04339/421742.stm

[post="206006"][/post]​

Nice callout you blew him away he is totally flabbergasted. I LOVE IT. Way to go. But as you see he is just like 700 he will twist and twist. But you sure hooked him. Congrats. Great work. You put him in same position as I have before lieing about not reading posts when he does that you know you got him on the ropes.

 

[Rico]

The point is that a T/A with the needed cost cuts was obtained, and in agreement with the union leadership of the CWA, which is all the better.

The lesson is that it is far better for a UNION to negotiate and agree to the cuts that each work group has to make to share in the sacrifice, rather than have the company decide for you.

IF such can be worked out with the leadership of the remianing two unions, then we can move forward as a company and get on with the transformation.

THAT is what matters.

 

[LGA / 037]

One of the PIT papers is reporting details of the CWA contract, and while there may be plenty of fine print we don't know about, it seems like the company "caved."

No way ! We gave up 3 total weeks vacation ( 3 if you had option 2 which was the overwhelming majority ) It seems like such a good deal because no one could afford to go on vacation anymore so now we will have 100% pay even with 3 weeks less !

 

[Seatacus]

See ya, :blink: I have to go puck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[post="206053"][/post]​

What does hockey have to do with it!!!!!!!!!!!! :huh:

 

[USA320Pilot]

MotNot:

I have spoken with both Company and CWA negotiators and regardless of what you read on this forum or read in the press the negotiations between the parties went well. There was give and take on both sides, but in the end the CWA met their cost cut target.

The CWA focused on preserving as much pay as possible and to obtain a generous buyout. These two points were obtained by changing work rules, which will undoubtedly eliminate jobs.

Some of the key work rule changes were:

• Reduction of vacation from 6 to 3 weeks.

• If an employee takes the “early out†program they can be replaced by an outsourced worker – thus this is permanent job elimination with the replacement making entry level minimum wages.

• The reduction of 3 more holidays, which is now down to 5.

• Creation of a Ready Reserve who will receive entry level minimum wage and no benefits, except passes.

• Per the last contract, now that boarding pass readers are becoming fully operational, CAR’s and their minimum wage will now assist CSA’s at the gate doing Kiosk and boarding pass work.

• One reservation facility will be closed and about 900 Rez agents could lose their job.

Separately, the Company believes when GoFares are fully implemented this will reduce average call time from 5 to 3 minutes or a 40% increase in productivity. In addition, the TP goal in to increase Internet booking this year from 10% to 20% of total sales, thus the generous Rez buyout program. Those employees who desire the buyout have 45 days to decide on whether or not they want to apply for this program and it should take about 15 months to fully implement.

Yesterday the Pittsburgh news media reported that the company is undecided on whether or not to close the PIT or INT Reservations office and will reject both leases. Then the company is going to put both facility leases up for bid and the owner who provides the lowest cost will win the new contract.

I agree with Rico that the CWA negotiated with the company versus the "just say no" approach of ALPA's Rc4 and came away meeting the "ask" versus the pilots who gave the company more than the "ask". The RC4 controlled the first MEC in the history of ALPA to give any company more than their "ask".

Best regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

900 could lose their jobs?

All Res Agent gauranted jobs at a facility, if they choose to move to follow thier work.

Better get your info from a more reliable source.

Guess you were not at the 2nd floor when their deal was struck, were you?

 

[USA320Pilot]

When US Airways closed the Orlando Reservations Sales Facility during bankruptcy I there were about 400 Rez agents employed in Florida. 63 Rez agents elected to transfer from Orlando with 3 moving to Pittsburgh and 60 to Winston-Salem. That's about 15% of the Orlando employees remaining with the company following the facility closure.

The company expects the same type of employee movement when it closes oen of its two remaining reservation offices, thus this type of attrition and IT changes will create the reductions of about 900 (maybe more) reservations sales agent positions.

Best regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[delldude]

320-

There was give and take on both sides, but in the end the CWA met their cost target

yeah there has to be by both sides or you have no "good faith"......
just like the IAM mech will come to.

 

[delldude]

MotNot:

I have spoken with both Company and CWA negotiators and regardless of what you read on this forum or read in the press the negotiations between the parties went well. There was give and take on both sides, but in the end the CWA met their cost target.

The CWA focused on preserving as much pay as possible and to obtain a generous buyout. These two points were obtained by changing work rules, which will undoubtedly eliminate jobs.

Some of the key work rule changes were:

• Reduction of vacation from 6 to 3 weeks.

• If an employee takes the “early out†program they can be replaced by an outsourced worker – thus this is permanent job elimination with the replacement making entry level minimum wages.

• The reduction of 3 more holidays, which is now down to 5.

• Creation of a Ready Reserve who will receive entry level minimum wage and no benefits, except passes.

• Per the last contract, now that boarding pass readers are becoming fully operational, CAR’s and their minimum wage will now assist CSA’s at the gate doing Kiosk and boarding pass work.

• One reservation facility will be closed and about 900 Rez agents could lose their job.

Separately, the Company believes when GoFares are fully implemented this will reduce average call time from 5 to 3 minutes or a 40% increase in productivity. In addition, the TP goal in to increase Internet booking this year from 10% to 20% of total sales, thus the generous Rez buyout program. Those employees who desire the buyout have 45 days to decide on whether or not they want to apply for this program and it should take about 15 months to fully implement.

Yesterday the Pittsburgh news media reported that the company is undecided on whether or not to close the PIT or INT Reservations office and will reject both leases. Then the company is going to put both facility leases up for bid and the owner who provides the lowest cost will win the new contract.

I agree with Rico that the CWA negotiated with the company versus the "just say no" approach of ALPA's Rc4 and came away meeting the "ask" versus the pilots who gave the company more than the "ask". The RC4 controlled the first MEC in the history of ALPA to give any company more than their "ask".

Best regards,

USA320Pilot

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you forgot to chime in about iam mech and our "painful clause".....about closing pit maintenance....you are starting to slip....mein capitain

 

[Rico]

At this point, ti is getting to be a waste of time for him, or anyone else to keep stating the obvious.

CWA focused on what was important to them, and came up with a deal they could live with. A realistic deal that takes into account the reality our company faces now, and into the future.

Is it getting too late for the Flight Attendants and IAM to reach such, do they have the political stones to do so...?

Dunno

But, one thing about this CWA agreement, IMO it is a far better to have, and a far better situation to be in with..., Than to have to start all over, and work under the last company proposal, while nehotiating out a whole new CBA (trying to regain what you had, rather than give what you choose).

No deal can be reached that will make everyone happy, but deals CAN be made that satisfy what is needed, and still preserves what is important to each Work Group.

THAT is the point of each of these negotiations.

 

[Justair]

Could the company close both res centers and move them to Bama.

Fact is they are cancelling both leases and going to see who offer them the best deal.

What if Bonner offers best deal in Bama?

JustAir

 

[700UW]

Then welcome to AL, would cost a tremendous sum of money to set up a new center with all the equipment needed.

 

[Justair]

Then welcome to AL, would cost a tremendous sum of money to set up a new center with all the equipment needed.

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I just know that is what Bronner would what. I would hate to see that happen.

As for costs Bama may eat some of the costs just to get it and U would save a lot because not many would want to move.

This is just guess work. Just trying to think like management SOB's.

JustAir