USAirways/America West Merger Talks -WSJ

[700UW]

And HP Outsources all heavy maintenance with TIMCO and the Teamster have been in contract negotiations with HP for over two years without a new agreement.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

As to branding, I think the USAirways brand means, bad service, lost bags, and failed airline. And it means "the airline that ruined PSA and Piedmont"

Screw the black planes and the east coast incompetence, who wants a reminder of an airline that served burnt out old husks of former industrial cities?

Keep the west, keep the teal zigzag tail, USAirways is just a relic of a name, a reminder of something you don't want.

[post="263550"][/post]​

You're right. We suck, we blow, we're lame, we bite, but we're really, really nice people. 😛

 

[us0004us]

As to branding, I think the USAirways brand means, bad service, lost bags, and failed airline. And it means "the airline that ruined PSA and Piedmont"

Screw the black planes and the east coast incompetence, who wants a reminder of an airline that served burnt out old husks of former industrial cities?

Keep the west, keep the teal zigzag tail, USAirways is just a relic of a name, a reminder of something you don't want.

[post="263550"][/post]​

hey, the west is best!

and

usairways employees have hearts of gold.


just like your sunsets out west!



good luck to all!

 

[us0004us]

AmWest HQ to stay put
But name goes if merger OK'd
Glen Creno and Dawn Gilbertson
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 21, 2005 12:00 AM
The America West name would go away if the airline merged with US Airways, but plans call for the headquarters and management to be in Tempe, according to industry sources.




from the az republic ..free subscription



very, very interesting!

 

[Travelpro72]

OK OK OK..... Hpretiree....... We at Us may not be perfect as you have pointed out but how short of a memory you have there. I believe just a few years ago your co was called AMERICA WORST..... Your management FORCED the changes to get you to where you are today (barely breathing). So now we have been FORCED the changes we are living with today. That "old", "rusty" whatever you call it airline contains a bunch of really nice people. Regardless of what management does at any airline, we are all still airline employees which sets us apart from other careers big time. We obviously have what alot want here at this old beaten down, poor excuse for an airline. I think HP is a great airline itself but nothing much greater than what is on the east coast with US. Alot has suffered through our bk but didn't you go through bk? I have friends here that worked for HP in the past. Cut us some slack. Everything will go the way both management teams want it to go. Regardless of what any of the "so called" airline experts say. Remember when you were in bk you were written off. Your still here and SO ARE WE ! ! ! ! May we all keep flying (with our seniority) LOL... lighten up.

 

[Whatnow?]

As to branding, I think the USAirways brand means, bad service, lost bags, and failed airline. And it means "the airline that ruined PSA and Piedmont"

Screw the black planes and the east coast incompetence, who wants a reminder of an airline that served burnt out old husks of former industrial cities?

Keep the west, keep the teal zigzag tail, USAirways is just a relic of a name, a reminder of something you don't want.

[post="263550"][/post]​

Strong words from somebody who's an outsider an really does not know what the employees at US have been through. Yeah, times haven't been the most enjoyable at US recently but you really have to give credit where credit is due. The employees have been through soo much at US and they are STILL there fighting in the trenches to save what's left of their Airline.....now c'mon let's talk about dedication! They have lived through mistake after mistake that management has sent and keeps sending down the line at them, after all the whole Christmas fiasco was not the employees fault it was another management planning fiasco! These employees given something to finally look forward to will do an outstanding job in merging the two carriers!

 

[Travelpro72]

It's funny to read all the doom and gloom predictions about this possible merger from all the so called airline "experts". I think the employees at BOTH airlines have been through alot. Bringing together what HP and US both have to the table could creat a real powerhouse if ran by the HP group. They honestly know how to do it right. We all know mgmt at US doesn't want to do it. Even Bronner said they'd rather be golfing. NICE HUH? Two companies with great assets. This and that won't work.....Blah Blah Blah..... does anyone on here REALLY know? NOPE ! !

 

[Rico]

Still does not matter there 700UW, the fact is that there is a lot of internal resentment inside of/towards your beloved Union, and now the IAM will have to face of in a vote to see if they (or the Teamsters) remain to represent M+R if this deal goes through.

 

[Rico]

The America West name would go away if the airline merged with US Airways, but plans call for the headquarters and management to be in Tempe, according to industry sources.

Hello new focus city, goodbye FLL...

It would lower costs moving HQ out of N. VA without a doubt. Smart move too if one is looking to start fresh, with as little baggage left over from the "old way of doing things" that each company had.

The more I hear about this, the smarter it sounds.

 

[deltawatch]

Rumor has it that there’s an investor ready to make this deal fly …. And he has not billons, but gazillions to play with???

 

[700UW]

Here is a good link to HP's History

America West History

And Rico, there is not always a vote in a merger or buyout for representation. There was no vote in the PSA/US merger nor a vote in the AA/TWA buyout, it just depends on how the merger/buyout happens, the NMB's rules and who has the larger #s.

 

[PSA1979]

Hello new focus city, goodbye FLL...

It would lower costs moving HQ out of N. VA without a doubt. Smart move too if one is looking to start fresh, with as little baggage left over from the "old way of doing things" that each company had.

The more I hear about this, the smarter it sounds.

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Moving HQ to Tempe is brilliant, as long as US leaves all it's excess baggage and I mean all of it in CCY! (You hear that Al?)

We have been top heavy for a long time and it would be a shame if all those that are so good at doing nothing but bamboozling the ones above them into believing they are doing a good job came with US. Which technically they are doing a good job, at doing nothing that is :down:

 

[whlinder]

A few things-

A potential US/HP merger keeps being referred to as a 'low-cost' airline. I don't see much 'low-costness' in US and while HP has a low CASM, they still act an awful lot like a legacy in many aspects of their business. Perhaps quasi low-cost, pretend low-cost, but not an LCC. Definitely not an LCC. Having a low CASM because your employees are low-paid does not make you a LCC.

Should HP tie up with US, it could have implications on UA and Star but it doesn’t necessarily mean that UA will pull the plug on US, although it would be hard for UA and HP to work together. I think it is very possible that the current partnerships could be reworked. I’m not sure the CO-DL-NW partnership is really working as intended due to too many competing minds. I foresee UA initiating talks with DL about a partnership; in reality, UA and DL are a far better network match than are any two carriers. Further, both have poor performing capacity in parts of the country where the other is strong so there is real opportunity to rationalize industry capacity if UA and DL were to cooperate. Given the financial needs both have, I believe investors will be willing to line up to support DL and UA if they see fundamental changes in both companies business plans which could well happen through a much more dramatic restructuring than has been proposed so far. However, it is not necessary for UA and DL to merge or acquire each other for these benefits to occur.

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I don't think US or UA will want to pull the plug on their codeshare. $2 F fares marketed by US notwithstanding, the codeshare brings in too much money for both airlines to walk away from without a full replacement. I believe that for the next several years the most integrated US/HP would get will be the way AF/KL are 'merging', where they are one company with two separate operating companies. I would envision US/HP having a full codeshare, and thus US reducing in size their codeshare with UA. But HP would also have a limited codeshare with UA, using UA's international routes and to the 'middle of the barbell' through DEN and ORD that US/HP will continue to be weak in. I think HP will join Star and as a result HP will end their relationship with NW, strengthening UA's transpac presence in the West. Star will appreciate HP's Mexican routes, which have been missing since Mexicana was given the boot.

As for a UA/DL pairing because DL/CO/NW can't get along, I think CO would be the odd airline out of that group, not DL. DL is too close with AF to leave unless they want to go willingly. CO and UA would fit quite well together.

But this is all still just speculation until some sort of deal/partnership is announced.

And I am still curious as to what would happen with the DCA beyond perimeter slots if these two got together...

 

[700UW]

One possible broker may be Texas Pacific Group. An investment unit of Texas Pacific Group holds a 55 percent stake in America West that includes 100 percent of the company's Class A stock, according to its most

Washington Post Story

 

[funguy2]

-- Doug Parker said in today's analyst call that he believes airline consolidation is "inevitable," that the company would consider a merger and that he believes the regulatory environment is favorable given the industry's precarious financial condition.

Two weeks ago, you quoted Glenn Tilton saying the same thing. This, by itself, does not prove anything.