SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Standard & Poor's on Thursday said that it has put America West Airlines and America West Holdings Corp. debt rating on CreditWatch negative after reports said that the airline is in merger talks with US Airways Group . S&P debt analyst Betsy Snyder wrote that the deal "could present significant labor integration and financial challenges, depending on how any such combination is structured."
USAirways/America West Merger Talks -WSJ
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sfb said:
🙄 Boy am I dumb... I see it now, but when you blow it up it does look like a 737 tail!
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A panther plane would be cool, but you can't do a Steelers one, you would only have the livery on one side of the tail!
A Penguins tail would be cool too, but no NHL.
A Penguins tail would be cool too, but no NHL.
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I thought WN was the Official Airline of the NFL, thus being the Official Airline of each team in the league. In fact, when they went off the end in BUR, there was a referee there throwing a flag for offsides!700UW said:
Absolutely Beautiful. How much compensation would you settle for with US Airways to keep you from potentially taking the airline to court for stealing your idea?dfw79 said:New paint scheme...I always liked this one that I ran into at http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/. I would still keep the same tail as the current scheme...but the design change on the rest works.
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What if the airlines merge? What would the operation look like to the employees.
Todays Pittsburgh paper seems to think the America West operational model will be the model the combined airlines operate under.
They have operated in Southwests back yard for over 20 years, they must be doing something right.
Can US Airways old dogs learn new tricks? Time will tell.
Todays Pittsburgh paper seems to think the America West operational model will be the model the combined airlines operate under.
They have operated in Southwests back yard for over 20 years, they must be doing something right.
Can US Airways old dogs learn new tricks? Time will tell.
CASM doesn't tell the whole story without stage lengths, and even then it is just a number. Numbers aren't worth much unless you know where they came from and what goes in to creating them.osunut said:
When I say HP isn't a full LCC in the mode of WN, I am referring to the overall business model. Everything about a LCC is simple. HP's operation and business is simpler than the legacies but not as simple as the other LCCs, and thus I consider it a quasi-LCC.
Fares- HP is simpler than legacies, but still more complex than WN, B6, FL. Similar to AS in complexity.
Distribution- HP is fully in the GDS, just like the other majors and AS. WN, B6 are not, other LCCs are.
Fleet types- HP has 3, FL has 2, B6 will have 2 soon, WN has 1, legacies have more than 3. AS has 2.
Aircraft utilization- I haven't looked at this for HP in a while, I would assume they get excellent utilization out of their fleet with their transcon redeyes and the LAS night hub, thus I would guess it is on par with other LCCs.
Hub operation- HP runs mainly a hub operation, with a few p2p flights. More reliant on their hubs for connecting traffic than B6 or WN.
Codesharing/interline- B6 doesn't, WN didn't until TZ which is the only airline they codeshare/interline with, and the arrangement is very limited, FL doesn't codeshare (but was willing to with TZ) but will interline. HP fully interlines and codeshares. Not as much as the legacies or AS, but more than the other LCCs.
Regional/feeder operation- HP fully uses Mesa to help feed their hubs. FL used Air Wisconsin for a while to do this, but then ended the agreement. B6, WN do not have one. HP acts like a legacy carrier with their feeder ops.
International flights- HP flies to Mexico and Canada, B6 and FL have a few international, WN has none, AS also has Mexico and Canada.
F class- HP has one, FL has one, B6/WN don't. AS does.
Loyalty program- HP's is based on the traditional miles and structured very much like the legacies and AS, B6/WN/FL are based on segments.
(And don't even try to compare HP to a European LCC like Ryanair or EasyJet.)
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HP certainly has some differentiation from the legacies, but their business model is not on the same simplicity as B6/FL/WN. How much does their CASM benefit from the good weather hubs they have? I guarantee if you took FL or B6 or WN and had them operate HP's route structure with their business models and with HP's labor contracts that they would all produce lower CASMs for the same route structure than HP does.
Hey I give HP credit, they've been left for dead many times and are still here turning a profit while going up against WN, but their business model does not reflect a true, full-fledged LCC. A quasi-LCC, yes, but not a full one.
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HPearlyretiree said:
I think that blue/black color blindness is common in older men.
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funguy2 said:
PLEASE FUNGUY..... just sit back and count to ten.
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Because of the patriotic red-white-blue, it reminds me of Uncle Sham-u.
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United chief wants U.S. to ease foreign airline-ownership rules
The USA Today reproted, Tilton said his company has stood on the sidelines as other major airlines merge to create "super carriers" that now have improved financial strength to compete.
When asked to comment on recent reports regarding a potential merger of America West Holdings Corp. and US Airways Group Inc., Tilton said he understands the position of both companies in pursuing a deal. He said restructuring can only do so much, and growth through a transaction becomes a necessary element, the USA Today wrote.
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Funguy2, my point in previously discussing the UCT/ICT and then the Northwest talks was not whether or not a deal was going to occur, it was that discussions were on-going between the parties. What is true today could change tomorrow, especially in a dynamic industry such as this one.
As I have said in the past, the UCT and then the ICT did not occur because of US Airways' first bankruptcy filing, the Iraqi War ended to quickly, SARS was quickly contained, and finally deteriorating industry fundamentals forced both carrier's into bankruptcy. These are four examples of change, but the fact is there is more mounting evidence that they happened and for that matter could happen again, if a deal with other companies does not happen first.
What I try to do is to talk with company, industry, and other officials, gather information, and if necessary, connect the dots and then report what I know. If it's my personal thought, I simply state "I believe" or "In my opinion" or if I know it to be fact, then state the fact.
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The USA Today reproted, Tilton said his company has stood on the sidelines as other major airlines merge to create "super carriers" that now have improved financial strength to compete.
When asked to comment on recent reports regarding a potential merger of America West Holdings Corp. and US Airways Group Inc., Tilton said he understands the position of both companies in pursuing a deal. He said restructuring can only do so much, and growth through a transaction becomes a necessary element, the USA Today wrote.
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Funguy2, my point in previously discussing the UCT/ICT and then the Northwest talks was not whether or not a deal was going to occur, it was that discussions were on-going between the parties. What is true today could change tomorrow, especially in a dynamic industry such as this one.
As I have said in the past, the UCT and then the ICT did not occur because of US Airways' first bankruptcy filing, the Iraqi War ended to quickly, SARS was quickly contained, and finally deteriorating industry fundamentals forced both carrier's into bankruptcy. These are four examples of change, but the fact is there is more mounting evidence that they happened and for that matter could happen again, if a deal with other companies does not happen first.
What I try to do is to talk with company, industry, and other officials, gather information, and if necessary, connect the dots and then report what I know. If it's my personal thought, I simply state "I believe" or "In my opinion" or if I know it to be fact, then state the fact.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
