USAirways and TPG may make Joint bid for AA

[CactUS4Ever]

Keep fiddling, Nero, because Rome is burning.

IF AA remains a Standalone with its current management team Rome will burn at Mach II speed.

 

[wings396]

The simple fact of the matter is, USair can't come to an agreement with it's own pilots or FA's, and people thinking that throwing in AA's pilot's and FA's is going to make a USair and AA a synergetic utopia is fooling themselves. USair is "promising" a better contract, until there is a signed agreement I believe nothing from USair. Look what USair wants to do, merge while AA is in BK, so they don't have to honor a snap back clause to their employees. And who thinks that USair pilots won't use all legal means AGAIN to keep down pilots from other airlines, further dragging down any advantage a merger might bring.

I'm sure the employees at TWA thought that Icahn was going to lead them into prosperity, I hope that pushing for Parker won't be the same mistake.

For the guy who gets upset when the proper USairways isn't used, this USair is for you. 😉

If you would take some time to educate yourself on the pilot issue at US, you would know that the "Company" is not the one at fault for their stalemate. The 2 groups (E&W), wanted to settle the seniority issue from within using an arbitrator, and I think that we all know where things went from there. Please tell me what you think Parker and/or the company can do to settle the pilot issue along with all of the legal battles going on?

 

[wings396]

Signals, why all the venom and hateful emotion in your posts toward US? The management team at USAirways is doing exactly what they should be doing to enhance shareholder value and to better the employees. You keep posting hot air and little fact. US stock price is rising for a variety of reasons that are well known to those who read what analysts are saying. US is not a failing company by any stretch. I am not a US koolaid drinker or cheerleader but the facts are the facts. US is doing the best they can do with what they have to work with. Maybe, if AA's management had been doing that all along then they would not be in the current situation. If a merger does not happen then so be it. But once again the facts are the facts and you can't argue with logic. Why should AA sit out consolidation just to have to refile for BK later?

Agreed, this guy has an issue with US for some reason, and I suspect he was let go at some point from the company, or was denied employment. Nobody could have this big of a "woodie" for a company that they have no direct connection with. He has it out for Parker, US in general, and it seems the East as well.
Given that he is now teaming up with the WT braintrust, that says it all. Maybe they can meet up and get a room together within the next few weeks. I'm sure if they put their heads together, that they will be a new blast of Aviation knowledge.

 

[eolesen]

Maybe he's another one of WT's multiple online personalities.

 

[Duke787]

If you would take some time to educate yourself on the pilot issue at US, you would know that the "Company" is not the one at fault for their stalemate. The 2 groups (E&W), wanted to settle the seniority issue from within using an arbitrator, and I think that we all know where things went from there. Please tell me what you think Parker and/or the company can do to settle the pilot issue along with all of the legal battles going on?

I think the US management is handling the pilot situation just fine, but having the pilots of US holding up any kind of advantage a merger would bring, is not good, on top of that if US and AA merge while AA is in BK, the pilots of US are going to expect to have a much better position over the AA pilots, and AA pilots won't stand for that.

It's been said by AA pilots, that you can see the great wall of China and the wall surrounding the 777s ( the barrier theTWA pilots won't get past to fly 777), from space.

 

[Rogallo]

Maybe he's another one of WT's multiple online personalities.

Now who would do that..!!!

 

[ebwgs]

Duke787

The simple fact of the matter is, USair can't come to an agreement with it's own pilots or FA's, and people thinking that throwing in AA's pilot's and FA's is going to make a USair and AA a synergetic utopia is fooling themselves. USair is "promising" a better contract, until there is a signed agreement I believe nothing from USair. Look what USair wants to do, merge while AA is in BK, so they don't have to honor a snap back clause to their employees. And who thinks that USair pilots won't use all legal means AGAIN to keep down pilots from other airlines, further dragging down any advantage a merger might bring.
I'm sure the employees at TWA thought that Icahn was going to lead them into prosperity, I hope that pushing for Parker won't be the same mistake.

For the guy who gets upset when the proper USairways isn't used, this USair is for you. 😉
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I get what you are saying and I am not trying to defend the lack of a contract since US/AWA merger. But there are just a couple of things I would like to add:

The pilot situation at US has been taken by the courts and thus US management's hands are tied and they would be foolish to take any side.

The F/A's contract term was not up until Jan. 2012. US was well in their legal rights to not make any agreement until the terms of the BK contract were up. Q. Did the US F/A's want a T/A agreement before then? Ans. HELL YES! But a legal agreement is still binding (beware a 6 year BK contract).

The pilots' at US will have to determine what is in their best interests within the law. Both AA and US pilots unions will have to have a frank talk and a honest vote.

What snap back clause are you referring to? LOA has already been decided and F/A's snap back already occurred in Jan/2012.

As for prosperity, does anyone think it can be achieved by carrying out business as usual in this sucky industry...Maybe a different approach is necessary. What do you think?

US, US AIR (with the pregnant "A"), Allegheny, PSA, Piedmont, Empire, Mohawk, Lake Central, America West, hummm, Who else? oh the Eastern Shuttle/Trump. These are still employees at the current USAirways who are still in dedicated service and trying to succeed. So you see, US still has the "Warrior Spirit" engrained. So, the name USAirways really does mean the entire US continent and loyal and faithful employees who are dedicated to succeeding. Time after time the employees at US have delivered even if management has not. And that is the secret to any success at US. So you can say all you want about US management but you cannot say anything negative about the great employees at US. All the other airlines should be so lucky to have USAirway's fine employees. And that is how I truly feel about all of this and I am competent my coworkers will deliver in any event, merger or not. We love what we do or we would not be putting up with all this B/S because of the industry's lousy fundamentals. Good luck to all of the American Airlines employees, I hope you are as dedicated to success.

Like...No, LOVE!

 

[wings396]

Great post, thanks.....

 

[signals]

Agreed, this guy has an issue with US for some reason, and I suspect he was let go at some point from the company, or was denied employment. Nobody could have this big of a "woodie" for a company that they have no direct connection with. He has it out for Parker, US in general, and it seems the East as well.
Given that he is now teaming up with the WT braintrust, that says it all. Maybe they can meet up and get a room together within the next few weeks. I'm sure if they put their heads together, that they will be a new blast of Aviation knowledge.

Hey Dr. Freud, you're totally off base, but spin it any way that makes you feel better. I don't have it out for Parker. Parker has proven that he can't clench another merger to save his life. Once again we are talking merger, convinced it is going to happen, and I'm the bad guy for pointing out that your three-ring-circus side show is getting old! If US is going to merge-MERGE instead of looking like LUSers if it doesn't happen.

Perhaps since you might be a computer wiz, look at my posts from the past year. As far as the east and west, my problem is that your pilots are an embarrassment to unions in general and are probably the poster child at Delta. I've said many times that you need to fix the problem instead of fighting about it, and get on with it. Then you would probably be a GREAT airline. Instead we hear your dirty laundry and how your going to merge to fix all your problems.

Keep thinking that I was burned in an US employment that I never applied, never had, and since I make more money than many of your employees, don't want.

Now as far as me and WT, read my next entry!

 

[signals]

Maybe he's another one of WT's multiple online personalities.

You actually surprise me that you would even think that of me. WT and I have butted heads many times over airline issues. It isn't my fault that I am in total agreement that US/AA merger is a bad idea. I have seen too many merger-rumors at US, only to watch them go back to the sandcastle waiving their appropriate white flags behind them.

But like anyone else, believe what you want.

 

[eolesen]

You actually surprise me that you would even think that of me.

Sorry, it was said in jest. Apparently not received as such.

I also happen to think the US/AA merger is beyond bad. And nobody would dream of me teaming up with WT.

 

[Kev3188]

As far as the east and west, my problem is that your pilots are an embarrassment to unions in general and are probably the poster child at Delta.

Pilots, not so much...

OTOH, US/HP F/A's were trotted out early and often by DL as a talking point during the flight attendant election(s).