USAirways moving into AA territory
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USAIRWAYS sudden increase in service to the Caribean is interesting. Just a few years ago, TWA was making this big deal about San Juan as a focus city. They even had a 757 flying from LAX to SJU. How many people go from California to Puerto Rico? Next to none as far as I can see, If that were such a big market then AA would fly it nonstop to protect its turf. It seems airlines in trouble always seem to discover this market that never existed in their back yard called the Caribean. US has always had the opportunity to fly there and now all of a sudden there are offering blanket service to the area, interesting? Why stop there why not fly to Caracas, Bogota, Lima, Quito, Barranquilla, Santiago, Buenos Aires( good A330 route), Rio & Sao Paulo?
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On 11/9/2002 7:07:08 AM DalMD88 wrote:
Actually the Latin po****tion in CLT and surrounding NC is growing dramaticly.
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That means nothing. It is growing dramaticlly, but is nothin like that of New York City, Miami, or Southern California and will never be. And it is mostly Mexican.
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On 11/9/2002 7:07:08 AM DalMD88 wrote:
Actually the Latin po****tion in CLT and surrounding NC is growing dramaticly.
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That means nothing. It is growing dramaticlly, but is nothin like that of New York City, Miami, or Southern California and will never be. And it is mostly Mexican.
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AA has for as long as I have been here, we have had a direct flight from LAX to SJU thru DFW. It used to be flight 606, Dont know what it is these days.
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 11/9/2002 10:00:10 AM JFK777 wrote:
[P]USAIRWAYS sudden increase in service to the Caribean is interesting. Just a few years ago, TWA was making this big deal about San Juan as a focus city. They even had a 757 flying from LAX to SJU. How many people go from California to Puerto Rico? Next to none as far as I can see, If that were such a big market then AA would fly it nonstop to protect its turf. It seems airlines in trouble always seem to discover this market that never existed in their back yard called the Caribean. US has always had the opportunity to fly there and now all of a sudden there are offering blanket service to the area, interesting? Why stop there why not fly to Caracas, Bogota, Lima, Quito, Barranquilla, Santiago, Buenos Aires( good A330 route), Rio & Sao Paulo?[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P]I can probably give you at least two thoughts on this.[BR][BR]#1 TWA was not an east-coast focused airline. US Airways is. As such it is a natural match for US Airways to fly to resort destinations that most east coast folks think of when they're considering a beach vacation. [BR][BR]#2 Developing from #1, the demand for Caribbean flights has resulted in moderate to moderate-high fares to the Caribbean. Look at fares to SXM. You wil never see $199 fares from BWI to SXM; but you'll certainly see them from BWI to LAX. Look at other spots like BGI, GCM, and SLU. They're all good revenue spots - and neither Southwest nor jetBlue fly to them.[BR][BR]As to future development/expansion, only time will tell. The big South American countries are all in the crapper economically and yields are not so hot down there.
[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 11/9/2002 10:00:10 AM JFK777 wrote:
[P]USAIRWAYS sudden increase in service to the Caribean is interesting. Just a few years ago, TWA was making this big deal about San Juan as a focus city. They even had a 757 flying from LAX to SJU. How many people go from California to Puerto Rico? Next to none as far as I can see, If that were such a big market then AA would fly it nonstop to protect its turf. It seems airlines in trouble always seem to discover this market that never existed in their back yard called the Caribean. US has always had the opportunity to fly there and now all of a sudden there are offering blanket service to the area, interesting? Why stop there why not fly to Caracas, Bogota, Lima, Quito, Barranquilla, Santiago, Buenos Aires( good A330 route), Rio & Sao Paulo?[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P]I can probably give you at least two thoughts on this.[BR][BR]#1 TWA was not an east-coast focused airline. US Airways is. As such it is a natural match for US Airways to fly to resort destinations that most east coast folks think of when they're considering a beach vacation. [BR][BR]#2 Developing from #1, the demand for Caribbean flights has resulted in moderate to moderate-high fares to the Caribbean. Look at fares to SXM. You wil never see $199 fares from BWI to SXM; but you'll certainly see them from BWI to LAX. Look at other spots like BGI, GCM, and SLU. They're all good revenue spots - and neither Southwest nor jetBlue fly to them.[BR][BR]As to future development/expansion, only time will tell. The big South American countries are all in the crapper economically and yields are not so hot down there.
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On 11/9/2002 8:15:57 PM FA Mikey wrote:
AA has for as long as I have been here, we have had a direct flight from LAX to SJU thru DFW. It used to be flight 606, Dont know what it is these days.
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AA has two daily LAX-SJU direct flights, both stop in FLL.
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On 11/9/2002 8:15:57 PM FA Mikey wrote:
AA has for as long as I have been here, we have had a direct flight from LAX to SJU thru DFW. It used to be flight 606, Dont know what it is these days.
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AA has two daily LAX-SJU direct flights, both stop in FLL.
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 11/9/2002 10:00:10 AM JFK777 wrote:
[P]Just a few years ago, TWA was making this big deal about San Juan as a focus city.[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P]TWA turned into the second largest carrier (mainline) flying out of SJU when they started their focus city in Nov. 1999. AA had a significant amount of market share taken away from them. JetBlue started flying into SJU in May 2002. Plus, AA has had a hub in SJU for years. [BR][BR]So maybe US Airways is onto something.[/P]
[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 11/9/2002 10:00:10 AM JFK777 wrote:
[P]Just a few years ago, TWA was making this big deal about San Juan as a focus city.[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P]TWA turned into the second largest carrier (mainline) flying out of SJU when they started their focus city in Nov. 1999. AA had a significant amount of market share taken away from them. JetBlue started flying into SJU in May 2002. Plus, AA has had a hub in SJU for years. [BR][BR]So maybe US Airways is onto something.[/P]
Turning into the second largest mainland carrier at SJU isn't all that difficult of an accomplishment, since most carriers only operate four or less flights a day...
Weekdays, UA operates 1, NW operates 1, B6 operates 2, NK operates 2 or 3, CO operates 4, DL operates 4, TZ operates 4, US operates 5 and AA operates 45.
On weekends, add one or two for just about everyone except for AA (add 5 for them).
Weekdays, UA operates 1, NW operates 1, B6 operates 2, NK operates 2 or 3, CO operates 4, DL operates 4, TZ operates 4, US operates 5 and AA operates 45.
On weekends, add one or two for just about everyone except for AA (add 5 for them).
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 11/11/2002 5:44:10 PM eolesen wrote:
[P]Turning into the second largest mainland carrier at SJU isn't all that difficult of an accomplishment, since most carriers only operate four or less flights a day...[BR][BR]Weekdays, UA operates 1, NW operates 1, B6 operates 2, NK operates 2 or 3, CO operates 4, DL operates 4, TZ operates 4, US operates 5 and AA operates 45.[BR][BR]On weekends, add one or two for just about everyone except for AA (add 5 for them).[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P]Did AA take over the TW gates at SJU or simply drop them and retrench back at AA's current gates.[BR][BR]I've noticed that US runs heavy lift into SJU - 767s, A-330s and 757s for the most part.
[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 11/11/2002 5:44:10 PM eolesen wrote:
[P]Turning into the second largest mainland carrier at SJU isn't all that difficult of an accomplishment, since most carriers only operate four or less flights a day...[BR][BR]Weekdays, UA operates 1, NW operates 1, B6 operates 2, NK operates 2 or 3, CO operates 4, DL operates 4, TZ operates 4, US operates 5 and AA operates 45.[BR][BR]On weekends, add one or two for just about everyone except for AA (add 5 for them).[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P]Did AA take over the TW gates at SJU or simply drop them and retrench back at AA's current gates.[BR][BR]I've noticed that US runs heavy lift into SJU - 767s, A-330s and 757s for the most part.
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 11/11/2002 6:46:49 PM JFK777 wrote:
[P]SJU inself is a nice destination but TWA growth to SJU was not such a great accomplishment.[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P]Oh whatever... it was for an airline in trouble!! The yeild was better going to San juan etc than it was going to europe due to the bad labor requirements put on TWA by the European Governments. One of the reasons TWA did it was also because the Puerto Rican Government was expressing displeasure with AA following the Pilot sick out and offered great incentives to TWA to move in. Perhaps that is something they are seeking to do now through another carrier. To establish the success and presence that TWA did in a short time with very limited resources WAS a great accomplishment.
[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 11/11/2002 6:46:49 PM JFK777 wrote:
[P]SJU inself is a nice destination but TWA growth to SJU was not such a great accomplishment.[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P]Oh whatever... it was for an airline in trouble!! The yeild was better going to San juan etc than it was going to europe due to the bad labor requirements put on TWA by the European Governments. One of the reasons TWA did it was also because the Puerto Rican Government was expressing displeasure with AA following the Pilot sick out and offered great incentives to TWA to move in. Perhaps that is something they are seeking to do now through another carrier. To establish the success and presence that TWA did in a short time with very limited resources WAS a great accomplishment.
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