USairways signs NDA with AA

[mike33]

So thats it for Negotiastions with the Unions I guess. What now? I hope both Parker and Horton aren't under estimating their respective employees !!!

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/

 

[jimntx]

Why bother with a NDA now? In the end, AMR will emerge from bk as a standalone. However, AMR management has so poisoned the well of employee relations that I do not see how the company can survive long term. I can't imagine what AMR executives could do to regain the trust and support of the front line employees.

So, just hold on. Keep your bills paid. Put cash in a safe place. When AMR collapses under the weight of the vitriol and hatred between the employees and the management, LCC, DL, and whoever else might be interested can come to the yard sale and pick up just the pieces they want. And, they can pick and choose with enough foresight to avoid unpleasant anti-trust issues. I.E., if I were LCC, I wouldn't touch AMR's DCA slots with a long stick. You know you wouldn't be allowed to keep them.

 

[ChockJockey]

In the end, AMR will emerge from bk as a standalone.

 

[Pi brat]

Why bother with a NDA now? In the end, AMR will emerge from bk as a standalone. However, AMR management has so poisoned the well of employee relations that I do not see how the company can survive long term. I can't imagine what AMR executives could do to regain the trust and support of the front line employees.

So, just hold on. Keep your bills paid. Put cash in a safe place. When AMR collapses under the weight of the vitriol and hatred between the employees and the management, LCC, DL, and whoever else might be interested can come to the yard sale and pick up just the pieces they want. And, they can pick and choose with enough foresight to avoid unpleasant anti-trust issues. I.E., if I were LCC, I wouldn't touch AMR's DCA slots with a long stick. You know you wouldn't be allowed to keep them.

A lot of folks said the same about US. In the end, we kept slogging along.

 

[jimntx]

Doubt all you want, but if I were you I wouldn't bother going to get fitted for that AA 777 captain uniform just yet. I fail to see why any LCC pilot would want a merger between AA and LCC given the current labor laws regarding union representation in mergers and acquisitions. There will be a representation election. The AA pilot corps is larger than LCC East and West combined. Who do we think will win that election? USAPA? Do you think that the LCC West pilots will suddenly support USAPA? Just count yourself lucky that Federal law now prohibits stapling in union mergers.

Like I said, there is yard sale in AMR's future. Be patient.

 

[Pi brat]

Doubt all you want, but if I were you I wouldn't bother going to get fitted for that AA 777 captain uniform just yet. I fail to see why any LCC pilot would want a merger between AA and LCC given the current labor laws regarding union representation in mergers and acquisitions. There will be a representation election. The AA pilot corps is larger than LCC East and West combined. Who do we think will win that election? USAPA? Do you think that the LCC West pilots will suddenly support USAPA? Just count yourself lucky that Federal law now prohibits stapling in union mergers.

Like I said, there is yard sale in AMR's future. Be patient.

You assume too much. What makes you think I'm jumping for joy over another merger? I'm pretty much along for the ride. The comments like "I wouldn't bother going to get fitted for that AA 777 captain uniform just yet" don't really serve any purpose other than to make you sound like the ass AAaviator.

I'll bet you $100 there will be no AA yard sale.

 

[jimntx]

And, how do you think LCC employees sound with their pronouncements that an AA-LCC merger is the only possible, reasonable, and legal outcome to this mess? You all think yourselves to be experts on how to run an airline, bankruptcy laws, labor law, you name it. I am fully aware that you have been through this lovely little process twice. However, what happened to you is not what necessarily has to happen to everyone.

Reality: LCC needs AA much worse than AA needs LCC. And, as others whom you all like to discredit have said, DL can step in and make an offer that the creditors can't refuse and LCC can not match. Right now, the parts of AMR are a LOT more valuable than the whole. The possibility that someone (be it DL, LCC, or UA) could pick up just the parts they wanted makes those parts even more valuable.

Think about it. LCC could acquire AMR's LGA slots to reestablish themselves in that market without having to mess with DCA that you KNOW the Feds would never allow you to keep in a whole purchase of AMR. You might get control of DFW which is more centrally located and has a much bigger metroplex to draw passengers from without having to figure out something to do with STL.

If the right offer comes along, the UCC will petition the court to convert the Ch. 11 to a Ch. 7 so fast it will make your head swim. They just want to get paid. And. some of them might relish sticking it to AMR considering the high-handed treatment they have received in the past from the (used to be) "world's largest airline."

 

[PullUp]

Latest update from USAPA: No NDA signed by the company. AMR has asked LCC to behave 'as if' they had actually signed it.
So, LCC and AMR are living together without getting married - but we all know how that works: either person can do what they want because there is no legal or binding agreement.
Mgmt wants to stonewall USAPA once again and pressure us into another round of givebacks, and they'll use this poor excuse as their reason. Sheesh.
So far we have a merger that's not a merger, contracts negotiated that are not contracts, a NDA that's a verbal agreement, and pressure to sign another concessionary agreement for obtuse language on a worthless sheet of paper.
The only party that will be bound by any of this is the pilots at LCC if we vote for this turkey.
Don't be stupid (again) - Vote NO.

 

[Pi brat]

And, how do you think LCC employees sound with their pronouncements that an AA-LCC merger is the only possible, reasonable, and legal outcome to this mess?

When they say just that, they sound stupid. There are many possible outcomes and we are all guessing from behind our keyboards.

You may be right that US needs the merger more than AA. That was kind of my point. AA is in a much different place in Ch 11 than US was. A pile of cash and a better route structure. Right now it is the management teams chance to make it work or not work, but I don't think that will hinge on if the employees are happy or not. I know how the employees feel, but I believe in the end most will keep right on coming to work, and I believe that AA will survive, intact.

We'll see.

 

[jimntx]

When they say just that, they sound stupid. There are many possible outcomes and we are all guessing from behind our keyboards.

You may be right that US needs the merger more than AA. That was kind of my point. AA is in a much different place in Ch 11 than US was. A pile of cash and a better route structure. Right now it is the management teams chance to make it work or not work, but I don't think that will hinge on if the employees are happy or not. I know how the employees feel, but I believe in the end most will keep right on coming to work, and I believe that AA will survive, intact.

We'll see.

From your lips to God's ears. The fact that the pilots turned down the LBFO is cause for major concern. They can shut down the airline without doing anything illegal. Can you say "Hold off on boarding. We have maintenance on the way." Or, "We are not taking this a/c. It needs to be taken out of service and repaired properly." The FAA did not impose $162 million in fines because they were bored that day, and wanted to do something fun and exciting.

P.S. When I made the AA 777 uniform crack, I was attempting (unsuccessfully) to be funny.

 

[jimntx]

So far we have a merger that's not a merger, contracts negotiated that are not contracts, a NDA that's a verbal agreement, and pressure to sign another concessionary agreement for obtuse language on a worthless sheet of paper.

And you have a problem with all of this? We all know that airline management at LCC and AMR can be trusted with a verbal agreement only, don't we?

 

[mike33]

So thats it for Negotiastions with the Unions I guess. What now? I hope both Parker and Horton aren't under estimating their respective employees !!!

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/

Looks like someone jumped the gun and i passed it along! Hmmm !

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/

 

[flybynite]

Well, this is an odd kettle of fish...

 

[nycbusdriver]

From your lips to God's ears. The fact that the pilots turned down the LBFO is cause for major concern. They can shut down the airline without doing anything illegal. Can you say "Hold off on boarding. We have maintenance on the way." Or, "We are not taking this a/c. It needs to be taken out of service and repaired properly." The FAA did not impose $162 million in fines because they were bored that day, and wanted to do something fun and exciting.

P.S. When I made the AA 777 uniform crack, I was attempting (unsuccessfully) to be funny.

Well, not quite. All AA needs to do is get a sympathetic federal judge to deem such actions as illegal job actions, impose and injunction and threaten to fine APA out of business. It happened on AA property once. It happened at LCC property much more recently where the federal judge initially virtually enjoined the pilots from writing up maintenance discrepancies. (I wish USAPA had taken out a US Today page on that judge's decision.)

 

[EastCheats]

Looks like someone jumped the gun and i passed it along! Hmmm !

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/

US Airways put out this statement Tuesday morning stressing that it has not agreed to sign a non-disclosure agreement with AMR:

“USAPA’s statement that US Airways’ board of directors has approved signing an NDA with AMR Corporation is incorrect. We received an NDA and are reviewing it.”
UPDATE, 10:48 a.m. Tuesday: We have this correction/clarification from USAPA spokesman James Ray:
“Yesterday we reported to you that the US Airways Board of Directors had approved the signing of an NDA agreement with AMR. That report was incorrect. US Airways has in fact been asked by AMR as a sign of good faith, to cease union negotiations and behave as if the NDA has already been signed. US Airways has agreed to honor that request.”


It looks like Jr made a correction.