USAPA/ALPA US Pilot Labor Thread 5/10-5/17

[AAA73Pilot]

It wasn't really aimed at you, just those that may have questioned my reading and comprehension ability. 🙂

I'll tell you what I was looking for when I found that, and that was something posted, perhaps by you, that said that USAPA would not allow any ALPA rep (or other position holder) to be a USAPA rep (or position holder) for a period of one year. I know I saw that somewhere and I am looking for it because a poster is asking where another poster saw it, and I know that I had seen the same thing.

That was the proposal back then for former reps. The proposal never made it beyond that stage. However, there are many former ALPA committee members in those same positions with USAPA. Back in Sept. you were reading correctly what was out there. Like I said things change and continue to do so on a daily basis as USAPA builds itself to represent its members.

 

[hp_fa]

Thanks. That should hopefully satisfy the question from one other forum participant to a different participant.

 

[commuter]

And yes, regardless of what you may think, it is truly tasteless of you to post somebody's name as well as their personal email. You really are a piece of work...

Give me a break, an elected AWA pilot representative states his position regarding the east pilot group and what he would like to see done by secretly contacting members of the UAL MEC, adds a few defamatory remarks and you claim I am "tasteless"? You humor me, prechililli! 🙄 As an elected pilot representative, anything you send out, especially when it relates to your position, should be considered public information.

For what it's worth, to carry out his stated intentions would be a violation of Labor Law and ALPA would be liable if they were to participate in anyway whatsoever.

Your actions are very transparent, prechilill, claim the actual posting was inappropriate and thereby circumventing any debate regarding the stated intentions of the pilot rep. Perhaps I should have posted the entire U-Turn Newsletter, which is public.

Commuter

 

[Barberpole]

All pilots must pay dues in order to maintain employment, however, to become a member actually requires a pilot to fill out a membership card. Before you say it, I am sure that many pilots who are unhappy with the vote will refuse to pay dues initially, but it will only take a few "examples" and the dues will begin flowing.

are you sure about that? I haven't paid any dues and don't intend on paying dues. Haven't met a single west pilot who has paid any dues for that matter. No complaints, or contact of any kind, from USAPA. Good luck getting 1 let alone 1700 of us fired.....

 

[Harry Callahan]

This may be a dumb question, but are West pilots USAPA now ?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

This may be a dumb question, but are West pilots USAPA now ?

They are represented by USAPA, but are apparently choosing to not participate.

 

[luvn737s]

Like I said things change and continue to do so on a daily basis as USAPA builds itself to represent its members.

Translation: They're making it up as they go along. As they find proposals to be illegal, they modify them. But at least they're not ALPA!

 

[20 YEAR FO]

This may be a dumb question, but are West pilots USAPA now ?

Yes, but it's not that simple. We formed usapa to impose doh on the west. The west obviously, doesn't like that, since they went to arbitration, and were ratioed. A basic relative integration. Our east airline is much older, so we expected to be senior to the younger pilots. Well, the west refuses to join usapa now, stating that, we are only using our majority to screw them. They claim that, I think, 90% of them would be stapled to the bottom, when we impose doh. We will try to get them fired, if they don't join.

 

[luvn737s]

They are represented by USAPA, but are apparently choosing to not participate.

I think what oldie means is that the west can blame it's poor representation on USAPA which isn't worth participating in.

Corrent me if I'm wrong.

 

[pilot]

All USAirways pilots are represented by the elected new bargaining agent USAPA.

Whether they like it or not. Even the ones acting like 6 year olds. That's the law.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Translation: They're making it up as they go along. As they find proposals to be illegal, they modify them. But at least they're not ALPA!

Retranslation: No we're not. You're right though, we're not ALPA. Your point being?

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I think what oldie means is that the west can blame it's poor representation on USAPA which isn't worth participating in.

Corrent me if I'm wrong.

Yep, you're wrong. Consider yourself "corrented" Still love the grasping. Those jabs are funny. Now if you were an east pilot saying that, they might mean something.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I think what oldie means is that the west can blame it's poor representation on USAPA which isn't worth participating in.

Corrent me if I'm wrong.

Okay, I'll correct you. They can blame any lack of representation on themselves, since they are choosing not to be represented by not joining their own union. It's okay though, since the company has already agreed that the pilots are an agency shop, so everyone will pay their agency fee. If someone doesn't want the protections a union offers, such as insurance, legal representation and other benefits, who am I to disagree? ALPA is gone at US Airways. Folks had better get used to it.

 

[ableoneable]

We will have to see.

Until the company simultaneously threatens all west pilots with termination for not paying shop fees I don't see USAPA getting any west money.

As a divided pilot group works to managements advantage I doubt that they are going to threaten 1800 pilots.

Even if this comes to pass there are already grounds for a DFR suit. This will probably be an advantageous time to file the suits and seek injunctive relief for shop fee collection.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Yes, but it's not that simple. We formed usapa to impose doh on the west. The west obviously, doesn't like that, since they went to arbitration, and were ratioed. A basic relative integration. Our east airline is much older, so we expected to be senior to the younger pilots. Well, the west refuses to join usapa now, stating that, we are only using our majority to screw them. They claim that, I think, 90% of them would be stapled to the bottom, when we impose doh. We will try to get them fired, if they don't join.

Not totally correct. I personally don't care whether any west pilots join USAPA or not. Membership is not a requirement of anyone. However, dues will still be required from all pilots regardless of affiliation.