Wait a minute Bub.....my uncle is a politician.
Waterboarding....torture?
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Wait a minute Bub.....my uncle is a politician.
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The ACLU protects constitutional rights that our government seeks to over run. They have protected both conservative, liberal and every thing in between.
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They protect nothing. Except for whatever their left liberal base tells them to. Like defending members of NAMBLA and other child molesters. :down:
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Don't you ever get tired of posting lies? Or are you just to lazy to research anything and you just post stuff hoping no one will call you out?
- The ACLU of Southern California (2008) filed suit on behalf of members of a faith-based charity organization after park rangers threatened to arrest the members for serving hot meals and distributing Bibles to the homeless on Doheny State Beach.
- The ACLU of Louisiana (2008) filed a brief before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit supporting an individual's right to quote Bible verses on public streets in Zachary, Louisiana.
- The ACLU and the ACLU of Texas(2008) filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the Texas Supreme Court in support of mothers who had been separated from their children by the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services (DFPS). The DFPS seized more than 450 children from their homes in Eldorado, Texas following vague allegations about child abuse by some members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. While fully supporting the state's commitment to protecting children from abuse, the ACLU argued that Texas law and the U.S. Constitution required that the children be returned unless the state could provide the requisite evidence of abuse. Neither Texas law nor the U.S. Constitution allows the state to separate children and their parents based on purported cultural harm alone or on the state's disapproval of the families' religious beliefs. In May 2008, the Texas Supreme Court unanimously ruled, consistent with the ACLU position, that the state must return the children to their homes pending further investigation of allegations of abuse.
- The ACLU of Florida (2007) argued in favor of the right of Christians to protest against a gay pride event held in the City of St. Petersburg. The City had proposed limiting opposition speech, including speech motivated by religious beliefs, to restricted "free speech zones." After receiving the ACLU's letter, the City revised its proposed ordinance.
- The ACLU of Oregon (2007) defended the right of students at a private religious school not to be pressured to violate their Sabbath day by playing in a state basketball tournament. The Oregon School Activities Association scheduled state tournament games on Saturdays, the recognized Sabbath of students and faculty of the Portland Adventist Academy. The ACLU argued that the school's team, having successfully made it to the tournament, should not be required to violate their religious beliefs in order to participate.
- The ACLU of West Virginia (2007) sued on behalf of a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) university student who won a prestigious scholarship to West Virginia University. Although the state scholarship board provided leaves of absence for military, medical, and family reasons, it denied the ACLU's client a leave of absence to serve on a 2-year mission for his church. The ACLU filed a religious freedom claim in federal court.
-The ACLU of North Carolina (2007) challenged a North Carolina Department of Corrections policy making all religious services in prison English-only, thereby denying access to many inmates. The North Carolina Division of Prisons agreed to review the policy and the need for religious services in languages other than English in the state correctional system.
- The ACLU of Wisconsin (2007) filed a friend-of-the-court brief arguing that individual pharmacists should be able to refuse to fill prescriptions that violate their religious scruples, provided that patients can obtain prescriptions from willing providers in a safe and timely manner.
- The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) defended the right of an elementary school student who was prohibited from singing "Awesome God" in a voluntary, after-school talent show for which students selected their own material. The ACLU submitted a friend-of-the-court brief. After a favorable settlement was reached for the student, the federal lawsuit was dismissed.
- The ACLU and the ACLU of Pennsylvania (2007) prevailed in their case on behalf of an Egyptian Coptic Christian who had been detained and who claimed he had been tortured by the Egyptian government because he refused to convert to Islam. After permitting Sameh Khouzam to stay in the United States for nine years based on evidence that he would probably be tortured if he returned to Egypt, the U.S. government changed its position in 2007 and sought to deport Mr. Khouzam based on diplomatic assurances from the Egyptian government that Mr. Khouzam would not be tortured upon return. As a result of the ACLU's advocacy, a federal court granted Mr. Khouzam an indefinite stay of deportation to Egypt.
These are just a hand full of the religious rights issues that the ACLU has taken on. I can post tons more if you like.
Then there is this gem. Try and explain this one for me.
- The Florida ACLU filed court papers yesterday supporting Limbaugh's argument that investigators violated his constitutional right to privacy when they seized his medical records in November to investigate whether he violated drug laws when he purchased prescription painkillers.
- Early on April 13, 1998, Tom Draschil, the co-founder of the Utah Republican Assembly, arrived at the lobby of the Salt Palace to promote conservative ideas at the Republican County Convention. Several others joined Draschil, including Ruth Hernandez Robinson, a delegate to the convention. Without seeking access to any pre-convention caucuses, Draschil and other members of the Utah Republican Assembly exercised their free speech rights and sought to influence those arriving. Seven deputies from the Salt Lake County Sheriff’s Office were there, and, according to a police report, they had been asked the day before to come early to prevent such efforts. The group’s appeals to the convention authorities to protect their speech rights fell on deaf ears. Eventually, Draschil was arrested, booked, and prosecuted for trespassing and disturbing the peace. Robinson was booked and charged with trespassing.
On July 13, 1998, a wide spectrum of persons heard oral arguments before Judge Sheila McCleve seeking dismissal of the charges. Along with the media, ACLU of Utah staff and long-term conservative protagonists were present to support Draschil and Robinson. Following Utah appellate precedent, the disturbance of the peace charges of "creating inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm" were dismissed as being over-broad and including a significant amount of constitutionally protected conduct in the prohibition. The trespass charges were defended by showing that the property was open to the public, and that the defendants’ conduct did not substantially interfere with the use of the property. The facts in the police reports all but conceded the lack of substantial interference, and five arguments were cited to justify why the convention was open to the public:
And the list goes on.
As for NAMBLA, until they break the law, they have every right to exist. Thoughts are not illegal. Their attempt to get laws changed through legal means are not illegal. The USC applies to everyone, not just the people you don't like. Nazis have a right to march down a public street just like the KKK does. If they break the law, then and only ten can they be prosecuted. The USC is there to protect the minorities from the tyranny of the majority.
I really hope your pretty. BTW, do you even know what Google or Yahoo are?
- The ACLU of Southern California (2008) filed suit on behalf of members of a faith-based charity organization after park rangers threatened to arrest the members for serving hot meals and distributing Bibles to the homeless on Doheny State Beach.
- The ACLU of Louisiana (2008) filed a brief before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit supporting an individual's right to quote Bible verses on public streets in Zachary, Louisiana.
- The ACLU and the ACLU of Texas(2008) filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the Texas Supreme Court in support of mothers who had been separated from their children by the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services (DFPS). The DFPS seized more than 450 children from their homes in Eldorado, Texas following vague allegations about child abuse by some members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. While fully supporting the state's commitment to protecting children from abuse, the ACLU argued that Texas law and the U.S. Constitution required that the children be returned unless the state could provide the requisite evidence of abuse. Neither Texas law nor the U.S. Constitution allows the state to separate children and their parents based on purported cultural harm alone or on the state's disapproval of the families' religious beliefs. In May 2008, the Texas Supreme Court unanimously ruled, consistent with the ACLU position, that the state must return the children to their homes pending further investigation of allegations of abuse.
- The ACLU of Florida (2007) argued in favor of the right of Christians to protest against a gay pride event held in the City of St. Petersburg. The City had proposed limiting opposition speech, including speech motivated by religious beliefs, to restricted "free speech zones." After receiving the ACLU's letter, the City revised its proposed ordinance.
- The ACLU of Oregon (2007) defended the right of students at a private religious school not to be pressured to violate their Sabbath day by playing in a state basketball tournament. The Oregon School Activities Association scheduled state tournament games on Saturdays, the recognized Sabbath of students and faculty of the Portland Adventist Academy. The ACLU argued that the school's team, having successfully made it to the tournament, should not be required to violate their religious beliefs in order to participate.
- The ACLU of West Virginia (2007) sued on behalf of a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) university student who won a prestigious scholarship to West Virginia University. Although the state scholarship board provided leaves of absence for military, medical, and family reasons, it denied the ACLU's client a leave of absence to serve on a 2-year mission for his church. The ACLU filed a religious freedom claim in federal court.
-The ACLU of North Carolina (2007) challenged a North Carolina Department of Corrections policy making all religious services in prison English-only, thereby denying access to many inmates. The North Carolina Division of Prisons agreed to review the policy and the need for religious services in languages other than English in the state correctional system.
- The ACLU of Wisconsin (2007) filed a friend-of-the-court brief arguing that individual pharmacists should be able to refuse to fill prescriptions that violate their religious scruples, provided that patients can obtain prescriptions from willing providers in a safe and timely manner.
- The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) defended the right of an elementary school student who was prohibited from singing "Awesome God" in a voluntary, after-school talent show for which students selected their own material. The ACLU submitted a friend-of-the-court brief. After a favorable settlement was reached for the student, the federal lawsuit was dismissed.
- The ACLU and the ACLU of Pennsylvania (2007) prevailed in their case on behalf of an Egyptian Coptic Christian who had been detained and who claimed he had been tortured by the Egyptian government because he refused to convert to Islam. After permitting Sameh Khouzam to stay in the United States for nine years based on evidence that he would probably be tortured if he returned to Egypt, the U.S. government changed its position in 2007 and sought to deport Mr. Khouzam based on diplomatic assurances from the Egyptian government that Mr. Khouzam would not be tortured upon return. As a result of the ACLU's advocacy, a federal court granted Mr. Khouzam an indefinite stay of deportation to Egypt.
These are just a hand full of the religious rights issues that the ACLU has taken on. I can post tons more if you like.
Then there is this gem. Try and explain this one for me.
- The Florida ACLU filed court papers yesterday supporting Limbaugh's argument that investigators violated his constitutional right to privacy when they seized his medical records in November to investigate whether he violated drug laws when he purchased prescription painkillers.
- Early on April 13, 1998, Tom Draschil, the co-founder of the Utah Republican Assembly, arrived at the lobby of the Salt Palace to promote conservative ideas at the Republican County Convention. Several others joined Draschil, including Ruth Hernandez Robinson, a delegate to the convention. Without seeking access to any pre-convention caucuses, Draschil and other members of the Utah Republican Assembly exercised their free speech rights and sought to influence those arriving. Seven deputies from the Salt Lake County Sheriff’s Office were there, and, according to a police report, they had been asked the day before to come early to prevent such efforts. The group’s appeals to the convention authorities to protect their speech rights fell on deaf ears. Eventually, Draschil was arrested, booked, and prosecuted for trespassing and disturbing the peace. Robinson was booked and charged with trespassing.
On July 13, 1998, a wide spectrum of persons heard oral arguments before Judge Sheila McCleve seeking dismissal of the charges. Along with the media, ACLU of Utah staff and long-term conservative protagonists were present to support Draschil and Robinson. Following Utah appellate precedent, the disturbance of the peace charges of "creating inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm" were dismissed as being over-broad and including a significant amount of constitutionally protected conduct in the prohibition. The trespass charges were defended by showing that the property was open to the public, and that the defendants’ conduct did not substantially interfere with the use of the property. The facts in the police reports all but conceded the lack of substantial interference, and five arguments were cited to justify why the convention was open to the public:
And the list goes on.
As for NAMBLA, until they break the law, they have every right to exist. Thoughts are not illegal. Their attempt to get laws changed through legal means are not illegal. The USC applies to everyone, not just the people you don't like. Nazis have a right to march down a public street just like the KKK does. If they break the law, then and only ten can they be prosecuted. The USC is there to protect the minorities from the tyranny of the majority.
I really hope your pretty. BTW, do you even know what Google or Yahoo are?
Quit confusing the issue with facts Garf. You know they just get in the way.
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Spare me the drama, whilst the ACLU may get it right at times, they also get it wrong.
So where was the ACLU coming to the aid Miss California for her opin that just so happens to be the same as Obama's?
The ACLU is defending those who abuse children while attacking those who give them moral guidance. This contrast reveals the priorities of today's ACLU.
The Manhattan-based public-interest law firm is defending the North American Man-Boy Love Association in a $200 million civil lawsuit filed by Mr. and Mrs. Robert Curley. The Curleys claim that Charles Jaynes was driven by the literature and website of NAMBLA, an outfit that advocates sex between grown men and little boys, reportedly as young as age 8.
Jaynes did not simply read NAMBLA's materials and ponder its message. He and Salvatore Sicari actively sought a boy with whom to copulate. They picked 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge, Massachusetts. They lured him into their car as he played outside his home in October 1997.
When Curley resisted their sexual advances, they choked him to death with a gasoline-soaked rag. Then they took the boy's body across state lines to Jayne's apartment in Manchester, New Hampshire. They molested the cadaver and stuffed it into a cement-filled Rubbermaid container.
So where was the ACLU coming to the aid Miss California for her opin that just so happens to be the same as Obama's?
The ACLU is defending those who abuse children while attacking those who give them moral guidance. This contrast reveals the priorities of today's ACLU.
The Manhattan-based public-interest law firm is defending the North American Man-Boy Love Association in a $200 million civil lawsuit filed by Mr. and Mrs. Robert Curley. The Curleys claim that Charles Jaynes was driven by the literature and website of NAMBLA, an outfit that advocates sex between grown men and little boys, reportedly as young as age 8.
Jaynes did not simply read NAMBLA's materials and ponder its message. He and Salvatore Sicari actively sought a boy with whom to copulate. They picked 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge, Massachusetts. They lured him into their car as he played outside his home in October 1997.
When Curley resisted their sexual advances, they choked him to death with a gasoline-soaked rag. Then they took the boy's body across state lines to Jayne's apartment in Manchester, New Hampshire. They molested the cadaver and stuffed it into a cement-filled Rubbermaid container.
Garfield1966
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Not sure why I bother with you.
The ACLU only concerns it's self with LEGAL issues. Ms CA had no law suit filed against her and her rights were not infringed upon by any organization through any legal means. She was being picked on because she is a public figure and she said something which people disagreed with. THAT IS NOT ILLEGAL.
As for the Curley issue, again, the dissemination of literature is not illegal in this country. While you may find the material objectionable, the law does not give a rats ass about your opinion or mine. The KKK and neo Nazis may also disseminate their material. Should someone decide to act on the material or other wise break the law, then they can be prosecuted. Under current law, NAMBLA did not violate any laws. The Curleys should e prosecuting the 2 bastards who harmed their son.
I play first person shooter games on my PC. If I decided to take a .50 and blow someones brains out, Delta Force Joint Ops is not at fault for my actions, I am.
I realize that this entire concept probably goes completely over your head but I'll keep trying to educate you.
BTW, the times when the ACLU 'gets it right', are they the times when they happen to agree with your POV?
Garfield1966
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Geez, I almost for got to mention this.
There is a thing called the 1st amendment in the USC. You might want to check it out. I think it applies in this case.
There is a thing called the 1st amendment in the USC. You might want to check it out. I think it applies in this case.
So which is it?
They are wrong when you disagree with your opinion, but right when they do?
They are defending civil liberties as it pertains to mine/and your constitutional rights.
That does not mean that I always agree with who they defend, just the rights of all. You cannot choose whose rights to defend only when they are in line with your moral opinion.
Fox News report: ACLU Comes to Rush Limbaugh's Defense
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:blink: Sure about that? They interject themselves most of the times when there is no law suit present.
Check your facts before opening furry mouth.
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What case are you talking about? Pedophiles?
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An apology is in order for that post.Nambla cheerleader in our midst?
Can you read?
QUOTE (tech2101 @ May 17 2009, 09:05 AM)
You are allowed to make a statement like that because of the first amendment, and those who defend it. (And because you are hiding behind a keyboard).
Do you have something of substance to add or just another personal attack on someone who you do not know.
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Attack no. More of an astute observation perhaps.
btw...confession is good for the soul.
