What The Heck Is Happening To This Forum?

[cap]

To all the "newbies' to this business, I suggest you read, print-out and keep forever the previous post by Carholme. He has described this business you have recently entered into "to a T" and do yourself a favour and believe every word he has stated........and I mean every word.

I have good reason to believe that I know Carholme very well and he has tons of reasons to "####" about the industry if he wanted to "spill his guts". He's worked around and for more than his fair share of a##holes and jerks. He also realizes that the MAJORITY of the people he has worked with are pretty good people that you'd be happy to do another tour with tomorrow........... ditto for the operators that he has worked for. He's made his mistakes undoubtedly, but I'll be dammed if I can remember a serious one........except one or two times he forgot to bring his pilot his first coffee in the morning. 🙄 Those offenses probably occurred on those mornings when the "a##hole" on those occasions was ME.

Remember also that you have entered into a "Specialty Flying" career, that it is also a "Charter " industry.....and is not a "Scheduled Ailine". You are in the same boat (pardon the pun please) as some outfit in Key Biscayne, Florida operating a "Charter" fishing boat(s). Your company and industry will have good years and some bad years and you may go for stretches where "good jobs" are scarce because of that.......and you might even suffer your company going bankrupt on occasion or receiving your "pink slip".

Finally, when the day comes that you can see more of your career behind you than you can see in front of you, I hope and trust that you will be able to mirror the comments of Carholme's excellent post. My family has been "steeped" in aviation for three generations and the vast majority of those that I have worked with have my undying gratitude for teaching me, putting up with me and allowing me to call them friends. You'll search hard to meet a better bunch of human beings......even if some of them do get a little bitter on occasions. 😀 .........and usually around this time of year also. 🙁

 

[LTE]

Hello everyone,

I just need to through this question out cause I can't seem to see were anyone has written,asked it...........Bleedvalve, have you ever belonged or been associated with a union before......a card carrying, due paying member? I know this is not on topic with the thread but seems to keep overlapping discussions. I'm curious cause my past experiences in my life before aviation had me signed up with three different unions.
Now of coarse I can only speak for myself and the people I used to work around but the only thing a union does.....in the long run is bring morality down...(mob thinking) and greases the palms of the local...........Please don't take this as a slight or a poke at your integrity BV cause you seem to like to get your back up pretty easy. This is about aviation and only aviation and how a union could possibly, remotely make things better. It would be a dark day if we ever let those money grubbing teamsters anywhere near any Canadian Helipad.

Just me my humble opinion

 

[sharkbait]

Oh I am so impressed - we made it a whole page before the knifes came out.
Sad - Really Sad

 

[Biggles]

Shitters, 2 posts from me today - haven't done that in the past year. Simple reason: The Deep Throat types we've been seeing (jezus, wrong forum with that name) not to mention the ignorant attitudes and shallow comments.

Reverend Charles, Mr Cap, and welcome huge to you Carholme, and all the other like minded crazy bunch make and have made aviation as we see and know it (we all know who we are) the very incredible industry that it is. Unfortunately, I have a yard ape home today and do not have the time to air out my thoughts, but I will later or eventually.

I don't know what more I could possibily add that Carholme hasn't said so perfectly well but surely I will think of something.

 

[HeloTeacher]

Sharkbait,

You are right, too much of the negative stuff here and this has a lot to do with why I've tried lately to stay clear. I tend to get riled up too easy after a long day over here. One of my co-workers suggested one of us write a short story about the ride to work. But we all figured the rest of the world wouldn't believe it was non-fiction!

I'll apologize to the crowd for this as well, and any points I have ref. unions I will place in the appropriate thread, though its sunk so low now I am having trouble seeing a point.

I get riled up by many of these posts because I still consider myself a part of the Canadian helicopter industry, just on a hiatus. I don't want to see it destroyed before I can come back.

The vast majority of the people I've worked with, in all jobs and all levels, were great. A few bad apples have not spoiled the bunch for me, just made the good apples taste sweeter.

 

[matador]

Gentlemen, I humbly get into this issue because, since the first time I read this forum and registered, thought this is one of the most professional and friendly bunch of pilots, with lots of experience and people wanting to share. It's sad for me to see how things are going down the drain. Of course I'm a guy from Spain and maybe I shoudn't say anything about what might be "your bussiness and not mine", but let me tell you that Canadian helicopter pilots are a main reference for a lot of other pilots around the world and now things seem to appear like you are a bunch of children discussing about candy, and I KNOW IT'S NOT THAT WAY, so please for the good of the industry and yourselves, go back to professionalism and leave the guys that are deteriorating this site to stand alone and don't answer to the provocations, it's that easy.
IMHO
Buen vuelo :angry:

 

[JBC]

To me gentlemen, it seems like you / we are being set - up for something down the road, by these newcomers with nothing intelligent to say other than to try and get somebodies goat. Try not to get sucked in to the point where this site will be removed due to lack of integrity because of the useless responses from individuals that may or may not be even part of this industry. In the past, this site has provided very useful information to the pilots that were here for that reason in the first place.

 

[RDM]

Agreed ol' bald one 😛

Now how come you have NOT PM me about the openings I mentioned today. To far away from the BIG LAND for you, then again you should be retiring soon 😛 😛

How is the new ride....performing like the rocket it is?

 

[sharkbait]

Helo Teacher good to see you - I will believe the story - are you in the area of the to the North of the last place we were together?
Biggles arises from her hiding place. ( must be Oyster season )
Perhaps this uncontrolled deviation into childlike behavior by a vocal minority is a mere bump in the road.
I think Matador has made a good point. If we do not rise to the bait the people looking for confrontation will eventualy depart to pollute other sites.
Having said that does not the word Moderator have any connection to moderation?
A _little _lot _ whole bunch ( pick one ) of wrist slapping and a spell check option should, perhaps, calm things down.
Night all.
Cheers
Sharkbait

 

[shaggy]

this one is getting just as bad as the other one. i did post on that thread but it was an honest statement of my opinion (and was offensive to no one-IMHO) but matador is right. we'll all get painted with the same brush by the rest of this sites visitors if we're not careful and i don't want other pilots throughout the world thinking that i am an idiot simply because i am a canadian. perhaps the annonimity (sp?) is a bad thing.

 

[MagSeal]

first off, lets not all get our panties in a bunch. I'd love to see numbers of members VS visitors to this site to get an idea how many out of country people may be viewing the conversations. It'd be a shame to worry ourselves too much over a small percentage if that's the case. It's rare that I'm on with anymore than a few others showing in the toolbar.
Besides, I am who I am, and I'm comfortable about that, I don't give a rats butt how I'm perceived by others. I am part of Canada's aviation industry and thats a fact that you'll have to live with. I'm not putting on a fake personna to satisfy anyone else's image of what they think I should be.
I've been to the other sites, and there are many idiots gracing their pages too. But I'm a grown up enough man that I wouldn't dare paint a whole country and their aviation industry with the same brush as those select few. The same goes for here.

 

[shaggy]

fair enough, i suppose, but the point behind forums like this is for the exchange of ideas and opinions regarding things that affect us. not to exchange insults. maybe i should stop wasting my time here if people are going to get their hackles up because they feel that their right to act childishly is being cramped by calls from others to act like the pros we are supposed to be. of course, i will be back to see what kind of reaction this gets. can't help but look at a car accident either, i guess.
oh, and i have never seen anything like this on any other forums. guess i don't spend enough time there.

 

[Biggles]

My mistake, wrong topic.

 

[leadingedge]

I have tried to stay out of this tread , to malicious!, see that Throat is up to his same old juvee mudslinging. It all takes me back to the deteriorating tread of days gone by. Matador you are correct in your assertions, people will see us based on the behavior they see here. What scares the bejeasus out of me is that if its here on the web, it must be 10 times worse on the job.

Perhaps there was some truth in tread of days gone by.

Just an opinion.

 

[Over-Talk]

Leadingedge, I disagree, it is NOT ten times worse on the job.

At the camps I was at this year there were 5 to 15 pilots (and almost as many engineers) all working hard, being safe, helping each other and having a few laughs over the table at dinner-time.
Some were from Australia, South Africa and New Zealand.
It was a wonderful example of multicultural professionalism that would look good to any outsider.

The ocassional "bad apple" that makes the rest of this website/industry look bad was probably at home whining about how just a "few" people could prevent him from getting a job anywhere in this huge country.

Someone needs to take a long look in the mirror, instead of taking his solo mission to Ottawa. His efforts reek of a "few" people having too much power, which is the very thing he is complaining about.