What's Wrong With This Merger?

[USFlyer]

Why did the company ever agree to such a thing? Do other companies offer a "lump sum" offer? I think that's ridiculous. What incentive would you have to stay with the company? Then again, I'm just a lowly flight attendant-so what do I know.

Yes, others do, IF they offer a pension. Finding a company that offers a pension is very rare these days.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Why did the company ever agree to such a thing? Do other companies offer a "lump sum" offer?

It was pretty common in ALPA defined benefit retirement plans, although the percentage that could be taken as a lump sum upon retirement varied from airline to airline somewhat. Back when we at US still had our DB plan, we could take 100% as a lump sum if we wanted. I've heard the DL's allowed 50% to be taken as a lump sum, with the other 50% as annuity payments.

Notice that it was part of the retirement plan. Completely different than the "buyouts" that some are offered to leave.

Jim

 

[donttouchthebeauty]

You reply as if we as employees ever thought one way or another about USAir. What revenge are you babbling about? We, as employees were glad you didn't liquidate, there is enough bad news every day in this industry without that and many of us flew with pilots in the military that made the choice to go with USAir. Most are still not in a cockpit even after all these years and you think we want any part of results like that?! But this merger crap is just more of that kind of bad news, no way do we want to play that game. In the end, most employees would not know a USAir person if they tripped over one. Where would we see one? Europe, not very likely, Latin America, slim chance. You sound as if we spent our time focused on you. Not true, we had our own problems and they are being addressed I think, no need for the USAir savior, thanks anyway. We will take our chances without you any day of the week because in spite of your silly ranting you never addressed the fundamental issue which is you bring NOTHING to the table but a bunch of fast talking money men who stand to make a buck at other people's expense. You have already paid once, why would you want to pay again? I'm sure you are a nice domestic airline with a couple of different work groups vying for advantage and that's ok. Be satisfied and spend your time figuring out how to become one big happy family. Oh and about those couple of 330's, sorry to hear it. At least they are cheap. If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going, as they say. On a side note, our junior international widebody captain is 16 years, what is it again over in your neck of the woods? Again, thanks for thinking of us but no thanks.

Oh fastmover.... You are so in the slow lane so move over Betty.... To start off I believe DAL has 8 or possibly 9 boeing 777 aircraft that does not make a widebody fleet; and just so you know the pitiful and pathetic USAir you are talking about flies to these international cities in europe uk ---- Milan, Venice, Rome, Barcelona, Madrid, Shannon, Dublin, Glas., Paris, London (gatwik), stockholm, Frankfurt, among others... So you are so out of league by posting misinformation... Dal doesnt even fly into heathrow or Asia with the exception of NRT.. So don't go on thinking you are the big daddy taddy, b/c in fact you are just the opposite - you are BANKRUPT... The time to face the facts is now. In fact I would love to see you go at it alone.. B/C I dont think you will make it, and the investors feel the same way with the far fetched POR... And yes USAIRWAYS is a nice domestic airline and they service many other countries as well, I really hope for your sake that you do stand alone and CAL/UAL merge and US/NWA merge and shut all of the nasty deltoids down .... And if UAL does get it hands on delta - we are brothers and sister with USAir and we will rip you to shreds.... with a great list of applications... MERRY XMAS!!!!

 

[Fast Mover]

Young lady the question still stands that is never answered because you know it can't be. What do you bring to the table? If a merger is necessary any other company makes a LOT more sense than Dougie's. Because any other airline has something of value.

And good catch about the 777's, but you forgot all the 767er's and all the 767-400's but that's ok, no harm done.

But I'm glad Dougie worship is so strong over there, its just not contagious I guess, because there is no sign of it over here. But if you missed Jonestown and Waco I guess this is almost as much fun and in the end just as suicidal career-wise, if what is left of this industry can still be called a career.

As far as the Delta pilot bs is concerned: who cares? Not most of us, this is a job now and nothing more. Most of us have other, more important careers, businesses and sidelines simply because we don't want to end up as desperate as those who walked the BK route before us.

What we do not want is to be worse off than we are now and in spite of your ramblings to the contrary, a lot of people think things are turning around here. So to have that destroyed by hooking up with your company so that all three fail is not on our agenda. In the end this is just a question of which way gives us the best chance to succeed and virtually all of us agree that you are not the answer to anyone's prayers. If mergers are the flavor of the day we will take a friendly one no doubt that has at least a slim chance of being successful rather than this DOA collossal mistake. You are much better off being a stand-alone twosome. Good luck with that and we will be happy to forget about you as soon as possible.

 

[donttouchthebeauty]

Young lady the question still stands that is never answered because you know it can't be. What do you bring to the table? If a merger is necessary any other company makes a LOT more sense than Dougie's. Because any other airline has something of value.

And good catch about the 777's, but you forgot all the 767er's and all the 767-400's but that's ok, no harm done.

But I'm glad Dougie worship is so strong over there, its just not contagious I guess, because there is no sign of it over here. But if you missed Jonestown and Waco I guess this is almost as much fun and in the end just as suicidal career-wise, if what is left of this industry can still be called a career.

As far as the Delta pilot bs is concerned: who cares? Not most of us, this is a job now and nothing more. Most of us have other, more important careers, businesses and sidelines simply because we don't want to end up as desperate as those who walked the BK route before us.

What we do not want is to be worse off than we are now and in spite of your ramblings to the contrary, a lot of people think things are turning around here. So to have that destroyed by hooking up with your company so that all three fail is not on our agenda. In the end this is just a question of which way gives us the best chance to succeed and virtually all of us agree that you are not the answer to anyone's prayers. If mergers are the flavor of the day we will take a friendly one no doubt that has at least a slim chance of being successful rather than this DOA collossal mistake. You are much better off being a stand-alone twosome. Good luck with that and we will be happy to forget about you as soon as possible.

Lets see - from the outside looking in ( since i dont work for US) I can see that US brings something besides a super88 They bring a great NE network as well as west coast with europe and the carribean and central america - but the most important thing they bring is money.. Somehow you are leaving out the fact that even if DAL had only new planes and they were all 777's you still dont have what you need and that is money with a plan... you have neither - And lets get real, for the love ,,, no one gives a rats arse about some worn out 767s.. That is not saying much which is why i didnt mention it... So lets hope everyones wishes comes true and you o stand alone - at least for a year or so before you start to repeat old habits with the initials BK again... There is another new carrier starting up have you heard . VA and they will be fierce competition for everyone ... You will most likely faulter in the event of standing alone... And if that is what you want then do us all a favor and please take DAL to the graveyard so we can all FORGET about your arrogance..

 

[NYCDelta]

Oh fastmover.... You are so in the slow lane so move over Betty.... To start off I believe DAL has 8 or possibly 9 boeing 777 aircraft that does not make a widebody fleet; and just so you know the pitiful and pathetic USAir you are talking about flies to these international cities in europe uk ---- Milan, Venice, Rome, Barcelona, Madrid, Shannon, Dublin, Glas., Paris, London (gatwik), stockholm, Frankfurt, among others... So you are so out of league by posting misinformation... Dal doesnt even fly into heathrow or Asia with the exception of NRT.. So don't go on thinking you are the big daddy taddy, b/c in fact you are just the opposite - you are BANKRUPT... The time to face the facts is now. In fact I would love to see you go at it alone.. B/C I dont think you will make it, and the investors feel the same way with the far fetched POR... And yes USAIRWAYS is a nice domestic airline and they service many other countries as well, I really hope for your sake that you do stand alone and CAL/UAL merge and US/NWA merge and shut all of the nasty deltoids down .... And if UAL does get it hands on delta - we are brothers and sister with USAir and we will rip you to shreds.... with a great list of applications... MERRY XMAS!!!!

Another negative rambling from beauty. When I read your posts, all I hear is nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. You sound like my 7 yr old nephew...

 

[donttouchthebeauty]

Another negative rambling from beauty. When I read your posts, all I hear is nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. You sound like my 7 yr old nephew...

The truth hurts.... SORRY.... At least i dont look like my seven year old nephew... Grow some balls or get off the court miss THANNNGGG!!!

 

[NYCDelta]

,,, no one gives a rats arse about some worn out 767s..

You're kidding, right?

There is another new carrier starting up have you heard . VA and they will be fierce competition for everyone ...

Actually, their spokewoman said on Friday that they don't expect to receive approval from the government to fly...which is great for LCC's (like US) that are big out west.

The truth hurts.... SORRY.... At least i dont look like my seven year old nephew... Grow some balls or get off the court miss THANNNGGG!!!

No, I'll just choose to ignore any post by you, because they never have any merit, whatsoever.
Merry Christmas.

 

[donttouchthebeauty]

No, I'll just choose to ignore any post by you, because they never have any merit, whatsoever.
Merry Christmas.

Ouch that hurt!!! YEAH RIGHT,, LOL -- bye bye -- god your easy (just like your nephew)...

 

[etops1]

come on guys !! it's freakin christmas eve!! could you chill a littel with the insults. delata is not better than us and us is not better than delta. we are both 2 airlines that went through the same crap . PAYCUTS!!. no can we just stop the bashing for at least today and tomorrow? and nycdelta please do not fall into the trap . you are about a few of the delta posters that i respect . happy holidays.

 

[gaucho99]

IF DL wants nothing to do with US, they'd better start courting another carrier to save them because I do not think the creditors are going to vote for a stand-alone DL. We've heard of no other offers but maybe there is some secret talks going on.

As a US employee, I'd rather see a US-UA merger, or a US-CO merger. So we are not exactly thrilled with DL either. The DL people are right when they say we have a lot of overlap but the route maps are not the focus of the merger. It is a money thing, like always and apparently, the powers that be see a big potential here.

 

[FlyUs]

I think it's hysterical that DAL employees still think we're supposed to "bring something to their table" As Wings stated, US is trying to acquire DAL, not the other way around. I agree with their logic, though, just in reverse. What does DAL bring to our table? Atlanta and Salt Lake City? A lot of thin routes out of JFK to Europe? Again, very similar to US in PHL. So in a way I do agree with the topic starter... Delta brings nothing to the table for US.

 

[dusty]

It is surprising that Delta has the money for the full page anti Usairways ads, the keep delta my delta BS, the little pep rallies and they can't pay their creditors or retirement bills. IF Delta comes out of bankruptcy with a stand alone plan and their current management Delta will be eaten alive by AIRTRAN and the New Usairways.

 

[donttouchthebeauty]

It is surprising that Delta has the money for the full page anti Usairways ads, the keep delta my delta BS, the little pep rallies and they can't pay their creditors or retirement bills. IF Delta comes out of bankruptcy with a stand alone plan and their current management Delta will be eaten alive by AIRTRAN and the New Usairways.

Very much agreed and looking forward to the day....

 

[Jetsetter2Ord]

The more DL and their management team piss of Dougie...the more I would like to see us take over DL. Then let go all of their workforce and offer them to interview for their job at starting wages and a starting hire date! Then give them First come first serve non rev policy, and see how it feels to throw rocks at glass houses! JMHO