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Oh me, Oh my, another atheist hand wringing over the Vatican.

Go figure. :lol:
 
No, not quite. More like another person angry at a people being allowed to rape young boys and girls by their supervisors all the way up to the CFO. Then, after being caught red handed, they shuffle off the offenders out of the country to avoid responsibility. Now, when faced with legal proceedings, they file chapter 11 to yet again avoid or at least postpone responsibility.

I guess that puts you in the religious nut job who does not hold people responsible and could care less about children being raped and molested.
 
I'll bite just because you obviously have a problem with religion and I am a proud Catholic.

Was the Church wrong? Absolutely. Is restitution being made? Absolutely.

The Catholic Church remains the greatest institution in the history of the world. Universal education and health care are just two social benefits started, funded and still maintained by The Catholic Church. For thousands of years too.

Personally I grew up with many priests and nuns in my family. And I was an altar boy etc. And if anyone ever touched me I would have clobbered them.

If you are an engaged parent you know the minute your kid walks thru the door at the end of day if something is wrong.

Courage.

I suggest you do something about your ills rather than spouting anonymously on a internet message board.

You'll feel better at the end of the day.

Good luck!
 
I'll bite just because you obviously have a problem with religion and I am a proud Catholic.

Was the Church wrong? Absolutely. Is restitution being made? Absolutely.

The Catholic Church remains the greatest institution in the history of the world. Universal education and health care are just two social benefits started, funded and still maintained by The Catholic Church. For thousands of years too.

Personally I grew up with many priests and nuns in my family. And I was an altar boy etc. And if anyone ever touched me I would have clobbered them.

If you are an engaged parent you know the minute your kid walks thru the door at the end of day if something is wrong.

Courage.

I suggest you do something about your ills rather than spouting anonymously on a internet message board.

You'll feel better at the end of the day.

Good luck!
Very well said indeed! 🙂
 
I'll bite just because you obviously have a problem with religion and I am a proud Catholic.

Was the Church wrong? Absolutely. Is restitution being made? Absolutely.

The Catholic Church remains the greatest institution in the history of the world. Universal education and health care are just two social benefits started, funded and still maintained by The Catholic Church. For thousands of years too.

Personally I grew up with many priests and nuns in my family. And I was an altar boy etc. And if anyone ever touched me I would have clobbered them.

If you are an engaged parent you know the minute your kid walks thru the door at the end of day if something is wrong.

Courage.

I suggest you do something about your ills rather than spouting anonymously on a internet message board.

You'll feel better at the end of the day.

Good luck!
Wong? The church was wrong? No, wrong is misreading a map and making a right instead of a left. What the Vatican did was criminal. What this specific Archdiocese did is cowardice and down right disgusting. Victims want to know what the hell happened and the Church is covering it's collective ass at the expense of the victims.

So the church is paying bribes to quell the uproar. That does not negate the fact that Cardinal Law was shuffled off to the Vatican and is not serving jail time for covering who knows how many rapes. It also does not negate the fact that only a hand full of the bastards have served time. Look up James Porter as just one example. Then do a search for "Roman Catholic abuse by country" and tell me what you find. Mr Porter has been abusing children since 1960. He admitted to over 100 cases of abuse. He was hospitalized two times and the Vatican still placed him in positions that had access to children. I have two nieces. Were that SOB to have laid hands on either of them, I'd have killed the SOB if my B-I-L were unable to for what ever reason. Then I'd #### slapped the SOB's who shuffled him around knowing full well he had already raped and abused other children. This one SOB alone ruined/traumatized at least 100 lives. Exactly how much money is that worth?

Let me know when the Vatican stops cowering in the corner and starts to turn these bastards in to law enforcement for criminal prosecution and they start serving jail time. I'd love to know that those SOB's are serving jail time and getting loved the way they 'loved' their victims.

Sure the Vatican did some good. So did Unions but their time is over.

So the kids are at fault? The Parents are at fault? Must be a lot of unengaged parents and wimpy kids out there. Most kids do as they are told and feel dirty or guilty in these situations. The bastards who raped/abused them are in positions of authority and the victim is unlikely to say anything out of fear. This is why these bastards got away with what they did for so long. Who would believe a child over an adult with out proof? Personally I think your comment is an insult to the victims.

Is the name on your ID "Our Returning Champion"? I some how doubt that. I think the hierarchy of your church is morally bankrupt. James Porter is a perfect example of that. A known rapist/abuser allowed to interact with children for 26 years and 100 victims. Perhaps you should be advocating massive change and accountability in your church instead of denying the existence of a huge problem.

Yes I'm angry. I am angry that people got hurt and the church does not seem to care about anything but them selves. Infallible my ass.
 
Yes I'm angry. I am angry that people got hurt and the church does not seem to care about anything but them selves. Infallible my ass.

Thats just your holy then tho (pun intended) elitist snob mentality. You and your atheist/agnostics ilk are no better. In fact much worse.

Please show where your atheist/agnostics ilk have taking responsibility for the murdering of innocent adults and children ala Timothy Mcveigh.
 
Surely you are kidding.

McVeigh was not part of an organization. He was was a terrorist. He was not representing a state/national or international group. If he was it would be up to that group to apologize, not the rest of the world much less any individual who did not belong to or support that group.

This is the Vatican we are talking about. A world wide/international business. The pope is responsible for the actions taken by his company. The fact that you have no concern for the possibly thousands of children who were raped or abused by Vatican employees is sad but not surprising. All you can do to defend the actions of the Vatican is to try and make a comparison to McVeigh. There is no comparison what so ever.
 
Surely you are kidding.

McVeigh was not part of an organization. He was was a terrorist. He was not representing a state/national or international group. If he was it would be up to that group to apologize, not the rest of the world much less any individual who did not belong to or support that group.

This is the Vatican we are talking about. A world wide/international business. The pope is responsible for the actions taken by his company. The fact that you have no concern for the possibly thousands of children who were raped or abused by Vatican employees is sad but not surprising. All you can do to defend the actions of the Vatican is to try and make a comparison to McVeigh. There is no comparison what so ever.
No......what im doing is revealing the hypocrisy you are spewing.
 
In other words you have nothing to dispute the facts.
 
So Cardinal Law was not transferred out? James Porter was not a known sex offender working for the Vatican? The various Archdiocese have not spent millions of dollars settling claims of sex abuse and rape?

Which of those are not established facts? All you have is McVeigh and ......
 
So Cardinal Law was not transferred out? James Porter was not a known sex offender working for the Vatican? The various Archdiocese have not spent millions of dollars settling claims of sex abuse and rape?

Which of those are not established facts? All you have is McVeigh and ......

Your obsession with Catholics is your character defect, not mine.
 
So you are not angry that the RC as let priests rape/abuse thousands of children? You do not think that is worthy of out rage and anger?
 
So you are not angry that the RC as let priests rape/abuse thousands of children? You do not think that is worthy of out rage and anger?

It is upsetting yes, however it doesn't consume me like it does you due to your "religion is evil" beliefs. I somehow don't see you pay the same attention to child bride rape as an accepted practice by Muslims.
 

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