Who wants a merger with US?

[700UW]

US farms out 50% of base and its audited monthly and I believe Maintenance is about 4,000 employees and has about 40 line stations.

 

[Buck]

Very good questions. Seriously, combining both US and AA groups is not going to alleviate much. I heard there is a 50% threshold so where does that leave AA?

I have also just heard that the USAirways fleet is older than Al Blackman, does that mean that a merger would alleviate that problem with AA 's fleet order?

Consider a near future with new aircraft, where does that leave maintenance?

 

[700UW]

I have also just heard that the USAirways fleet is older than Al Blackman, does that mean that a merger would alleviate that problem with AA 's fleet order?

Consider a near future with new aircraft, where does that leave maintenance?

US fleet age

AA fleet age

 

[737823]

US fleet age

AA fleet age

You left out your tagline (insult) guess you're too worried about the possible decertification of the IAM as a result of a potential AA-USAir merger

Josh

 

[700UW]

The post isnt about me, yet your obsessed and make it about me.

And see Buck posted a question and I provided information relevant to the thread, unlike you.

Your make false accusations and run and hide when called out on it and never provide facts to back it up.

Move along.

And I am not worried about anything, there is no merger yet, but I guess you cant comprehend that fact now can you?

 

[Mrs. McFly]

I have also just heard that the USAirways fleet is older than Al Blackman, does that mean that a merger would alleviate that problem with AA 's fleet order?

Consider a near future with new aircraft, where does that leave maintenance?

Good point. In the long run, how many are going to be let go? I'm willing to bet the cuts will be more en total than if we were just left alone.

 

[FWAAA]

What is the percentage of outsourcing at USAirways?

60% of total maintenance spending during 2009: (most recent numbers available)

http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2010/bts026_10/html/bts026_10.html (table 8)

How many mechanics does USAirways have?

According to US:

Our business is labor intensive. In 2011, wages, salaries and benefits were one of our largest expenses and represented approximately 20% of our operating expenses. As of December 31, 2011, US Airways employed approximately 31,500 active full-time equivalent employees, including approximately 4,000 pilots, 7,200 flight attendants, 6,100 passenger service personnel, 5,800 fleet service personnel, 3,200 maintenance personnel and 5,200 personnel in administrative and various other job categories. In addition, our Express subsidiaries, Piedmont and PSA, employed approximately 5,300 active full-time equivalent employees, including approximately 900 pilots, 500 flight attendants, 3,100 passenger service personnel, 400 maintenance personnel and 400 personnel in administrative and various other job categories.

About 3,200 fte mainline mechanics plus the 400 wholly-owned regional maintenance personnel. Mainline fleet is about 340 jets (AA is about 600).

New narrowbody planes fly for five or six years prior to their first heavy C check, right? That's quite a maintenance holiday and should be plenty of time for some MROs to ramp up their capacity (like Aeroman in SAL).

 

[700UW]

The CBA was changed, they are only allowed to outsource 50% otherwise they have to pay a financial penalty.

US airbus undergo several C-checks, from a small to a large, then every 5 1/2 years they undergo an S-Check.

The east does the airbus in PIT and the 737s in CLT with an occasional 757.

The west planes are being done in PIT and at Aeroman.

The widebodies are done at ST MAE at BHM.

 

[FWAAA]

Pardon me, you probably answered this one before - I forgot - is that 50% CBA limit on outsourcing a dollar amount limit or 50% of work performed (not measured by dollars)?

 

[700UW]

I believe its dollar amount.

 

[FWAAA]

If it's dollar amount, that might permit a little more than half the physical work to be outsourced, assuming that outsourcing is cheaper, which Bob Owens argues may not be the case.

 

[Hopeful]

If it's dollar amount, that might permit a little more than half the physical work to be outsourced, assuming that outsourcing is cheaper, which Bob Owens argues may not be the case.

Hmmmmmm......LCC CBA is 50% and AA seeks 40% outsourcing of maintenance and 40% mechanics laid off. I guess a merger can result in 50% reductions of OH personnel instead of 40% and 50% outsourcing?????????????

I am still in amazement as to why AA unions would trust Parker and Co.

 

[Bob Owens]

Hmmmmmm......LCC CBA is 50% and AA seeks 40% outsourcing of maintenance and 40% mechanics laid off. I guess a merger can result in 50% reductions of OH personnel instead of 40% and 50% outsourcing?????????????

I am still in amazement as to why AA unions would trust Parker and Co.

AA's measure does not include Taesl or the work done by AA employees who are not TWU. Counting just Teasl and work already done outside the compamny is looking for the ability for over 50% outsourcing of Maintenence.

Either way, stand alone or merged, I still dont think we will see layoffs on the scale that the company is claiming. Look at all the recent mergers, NWA-Delta, UAL-CO, WN and Airtran. How many mechanics were laid off as a result of those mergers? ZERO. Airline mergers nowadays are just as much about aquiring human capital as they are routes and equipment. In fact all those outfits have hired or recalled workers since the mergers.AAR last week said they now need 500 more mechanics and see the shortage of qualified people entering the industry as a major challenge. Our age may be a disadvantage but the fact is there arent a bunch of kids out there looking to take our place.

As far as trusting Parker is it your opinion that we should support Horton who is saying they want over 50% outsourcing, the lowest wages in the industry, the most expensive medical, no compounding of premiums in OT or the 401k, the least amount of vacation, the fewest holidays and only half pay if you work, the least amount of sick time, no work rules other than "they can do that", etc etc?

I do not see US as a White Knight but even the US contract, which is in mediation, is a better alternative to what Horton has put forward. Keep in mind that there has been no movement off the companies $210 million. In fact they keep increasing it. Their latest move, where License premiums would not compounded in OT or be part of our pensionable earning (for the 401k-the company only wants to match pensionable earnings,( not all wages like everyone else) anymore adds another $7.5 million to the concession, and thats not counting the OT portion of the latest concession. The company has approached these negotiations much the same as they di regular section 6, if we move towards them they take two steps further back.

 

[Hopeful]

As far as trusting Parker is it your opinion that we should support Horton who is saying they want over 50% outsourcing, the lowest wages in the industry, the most expensive medical, no compounding of premiums in OT or the 401k, the least amount of vacation, the fewest holidays and only half pay if you work, the least amount of sick time, no work rules other than "they can do that", etc etc?

I am not in the mood of trusting ANYONE these days...NO ONE! Not even my union leadership who I never had a chance to vote on.

My problem is my union believing any promises by another airline...If you think we are all going to be singing COOMBAYAH, you are sadly mistaken.
I think, as a union member, I have a right to see what PARKER is promising.
My 50% outsourcing is the number posted by LCC employees here with respect to their CBA.

I merely want to see WHAT's on the table.
I also want to know what the unions will do besides protest with some catchphrase signs if and when the Parker Promise is reneged.

I am even willing to vote the TWU OUT if this were an acceptable deal.


Also, since I respect your talent for factual information and data.....I would like your opinion on another touchy issue.
My fellow ex-TWA coworkers are practically doing the Irish Jig believing that the IAM will restore their coccupational time...WHAT SAY YOU?

 

[MCI transplant]

I am not in the mood of trusting ANYONE these days...NO ONE! Not even my union leadership who I never had a chance to vote on.

My problem is my union believing any promises by another airline...If you think we are all going to be singing COOMBAYAH, you are sadly mistaken.
I think, as a union member, I have a right to see what PARKER is promising.
My 50% outsourcing is the number posted by LCC employees here with respect to their CBA.

I merely want to see WHAT's on the table.
I also want to know what the unions will do besides protest with some catchphrase signs if and when the Parker Promise is reneged.

I am even willing to vote the TWU OUT if this were an acceptable deal.


Also, since I respect your talent for factual information and data.....I would like your opinion on another touchy issue.
My fellow ex-TWA coworkers are practically doing the Irish Jig believing that the IAM will restore their coccupational time...WHAT SAY YOU?

<_< ------ Now that would be sweet justice!------ But let's get real here! Even if they would, think about it. There arn't enough of them left to make a differance anyway! ------Or is it you just have a thing about exTWAers?------ Yes Bob, I'm interested in your take on that also!!!