Why there will never be a T.A.

[WeAAsles]

No. It isn't different. The circumstances are about to change if we go into Section 6. The NMB certified three separate Associations and at some point during that process, the three Associations will probably be separated for the duration of the negotiations.

And this nonsense you keep trying to sell has finally reached a level of complete absurdity.

Separation is completely irrelevant.

Edit: Besides the fact that any movement into the Section 6 “formal process” is NOT going to start any of the Groups back to square one. The issues of Scope and financials will still be the last pieces of the puzzle left to be put in place.

 

[Bin Stretcher]

Isn't the point of solidarity in this case "strength in numbers"? That would be my thinking and apparently the thinking of the NC members that came before you. I certainly expect you to show solidarity within your own group for the good of all in obtaining the best contract we are deserving of. Don't succumb to the pressure of money grabbers!

 

[WeAAsles]

Isn't the point of solidarity in this case "strength in numbers"? That would be my thinking and apparently the thinking of the NC members that came before you. I certainly expect you to show solidarity within your own group for the good of all in obtaining the best contract we are deserving of. Don't succumb to the pressure of money grabbers!

Consider that he might be one of those money grabbers himself.

 

[NYer]

...for the good of all in obtaining the best contract we are deserving of.

Who decides what "the good for all" is?

 

[Racer X]

That was their choice.

This is a different time and a different situation.

It was decided as A TEAM
Like it or not...we are A TEAM

 

[Racer X]

You don't know if it would cost gains elsewhere.

Are you saying that if the buyout in the JCBA was worth 10 million dollars that it would not be assessed to the total value of our JCBA?
If you say that...you would be incorrect
If you are not saying that, then it stands to reason if our JCBA is valued at 200 million WITH the 10 Million buyout....then WITHOUT the 10 million buyout we would either get 190 million in value OR to keep the same value as 200 million...we would HAVE to get 10 million more SOMEWHERE.

 

[B737 driver]

Are you saying that if the buyout in the JCBA was worth 10 million dollars that it would not be assessed to the total value of our JCBA?
If you say that...you would be incorrect
If you are not saying that, then it stands to reason if our JCBA is valued at 200 million WITH the 10 Million buyout....then WITHOUT the 10 million buyout we would either get 190 million in value OR to keep the same value as 200 million...we would HAVE to get 10 million more SOMEWHERE.

Nyer there is one way to do that without being part of a JCBA , or section 6. If American wants to save money and you said they will just use attrition on the maintenance side of the house, just do a buy out the older people are gone, then just the younger workers are left, plus new hires instant savings. Then the people who are left can't complain the old guys sold them out in a contract to leave.

 

[WeAAsles]

Nyer there is one way to do that without being part of a JCBA , or section 6. If American wants to save money and you said they will just use attrition on the maintenance side of the house, just do a buy out the older people are gone, then just the younger workers are left, plus new hires instant savings. Then the people who are left can't complain the old guys sold them out in a contract to leave.

Can’t do the buyouts to the degree they would like until they get the Scope changes they’re gunning for.

Absent those changes they would be left short handed and have to hire ahead of time ready replacements.

 

[NYer]

It was decided as A TEAM
Like it or not...we are A TEAM

A team of 2, 5, 12 or should 17,000 also get a say.

 

[NYer]

Are you saying that if the buyout in the JCBA was worth 10 million dollars that it would not be assessed to the total value of our JCBA?
If you say that...you would be incorrect
If you are not saying that, then it stands to reason if our JCBA is valued at 200 million WITH the 10 Million buyout....then WITHOUT the 10 million buyout we would either get 190 million in value OR to keep the same value as 200 million...we would HAVE to get 10 million more SOMEWHERE.

It means that if we choose not to have a contractual buyout it doesn't necessarily mean that value would be added elsewhere.

Even if we go with the premise of a buyout outside the JCBA all they would need to do is adjust their total value less what they propose to spend on a buyout after the fact. They can just adjust the total JCBA value at $190M rather than $200M to account for that cost later on since we probably don't know the final number they're willing to reach.

I understand the argument about not wanting a potential built-in yes vote with a contractual severance package, but to say it would take value away from something else isn't necessarily true.

 

[NYer]

Nyer there is one way to do that without being part of a JCBA , or section 6. If American wants to save money and you said they will just use attrition on the maintenance side of the house, just do a buy out the older people are gone, then just the younger workers are left, plus new hires instant savings. Then the people who are left can't complain the old guys sold them out in a contract to leave.

I never said they want to use attrition on the maintenance side of the house.

To me, if they want to offer a buyout then that's fine. If they don't want to offer a buyout then that's fine too. Not advocating for it in one way or another, although there are many Members that are looking forward to it.

I'd imagine the IAM side would change their support a buy-out if their medical was saved so it would have a better chance to pass as would the maintenance guys if it mean their outsourcing numbers would come down. Right now, neither of those sides wants a deal so they'll oppose anything that helps a JCBA pass with those features in it. Understandably.

 

[WeAAsles]

We elect our Leaders to represent us and not waste our time.

It was decided as A TEAM
Like it or not...we are A TEAM

Since our Negotiators were elected by the Membership and the Leaders were elected by both their Membership and/or their Delegates I trust that when the time is right they will release something for us to vote on.

You represent your Members and they’re collective needs.

 

[AANOTOK]

http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Letter to Local 513 Membership 6-22-18.pdf

 

[NYer]

http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Letter to Local 513 Membership 6-22-18.pdf

Good for maintenance. 😵

 

[WeAAsles]

Good for maintenance. 😵

Perhaps you need to get with the program that maybe if Maintenance can’t get a deal, Fleet isn’t going to get one either.

Try swimming with the tide for a change instead of against it.