Why there will never be a T.A.

[Bin Stretcher]

Both sides have that ability.
Perhaps a better way to put it is...a TA would have to be passed by a majority vote of the NC.
12 total...6 IAM....6 TWU...if ANY 6 ( IAM,TWU or any Combination) are fixed on a position, they would need to convince 1 more to vote their way for a passing majority.

Thank you. Understood

 

[WeAAsles]

Both sides have that ability.
Perhaps a better way to put it is...a TA would have to be passed by a majority vote of the NC.
12 total...6 IAM....6 TWU...if ANY 6 ( IAM,TWU or any Combination) are fixed on a position, they would need to convince 1 more to vote their way for a passing majority.

This sounds more inclusive, civilized and gentlemanly.

 

[NYer]

I have a question for anybody that will answer honestly on the LAA side?

Why do you folks (most of you anyway) hate the LUS folks?


Why do you folks (most of you anyway) blame the LUS folks for your bankruptcy agreement?


Why would you folks (most of you anyway) rather bring us up to your insurance premiums rather than fighting to come down to ours and having more extra money in your check?

Some of us have tried to explain this process through the eyes of the IAM, but we've been drowned out by those that want to criticize for the non-participation in the protests. They don't want to understand that for the IAM expedience isn't really a priority as much as the protection of their medical and pension. It's been a mistake to constantly point out how the IAM has more holidays than the TWU and a higher premium of that pay.

The arguments made by some of the leadership has helped to rile up the base but it has also hurt how many members view the IAM.

 

[NYer]

My concern is your perceived position on the issues that concern me. I am thankful the 5 IAM NC members have, as I understand, veto power.
I look at them like the straps on a gurney. They are there to protect you from harming yourself, and others.

My positions on the issues that concern you are irrelevant since it takes a majority of the NC and the Directors to agree before anything moves ahead.

 

[WeAAsles]

Also, the language was TA'd while other TWU representatives we able to voice their points of view before it was TA'd, MIA didn't.

That MIA President had the means to make his voice heard and chose not to. Any fault will always fall squarely on his own shoulders.

 

[Racer X]

Don't think the language that concerns us is a detriment to anyone else or at least not to the extent it may affect MIA simply because of the sheer number of PTers in the station. That language is a mechanism used to limit the number of PTers that can currently swell to several hundred more than the current numbers.

Also, the language was TA'd while other TWU representatives we able to voice their points of view before it was TA'd, MIA didn't.

The PT ratio language is TA’d???

 

[WeAAsles]

My positions on the issues that concern you are irrelevant since it takes a majority of the NC and the Directors to agree before anything moves ahead.

Bin Stretcher. NYer will hide and continue to hide his personal concerns and opinions behind talk that he represents TWU MIA Fleet.

His illusions being that everything he says and does is in the service of those Members.

 

[Bin Stretcher]

My positions on the issues that concern you are irrelevant since it takes a majority of the NC and the Directors to agree before anything moves ahead.

Agreed. But it would be nice to hear that ALL were interested in pushing for the best without others pushing in the opposite direction and settling for less.
We might need your vote to push it over the top, not back down the hill.

 

[WeAAsles]

The PT ratio language is TA’d???

An improved PT ratio could render any concerns of percentage growth moot.

 

[Talos]

I have a question for anybody that will answer honestly on the LAA side?

Why do you folks (most of you anyway) hate the LUS folks?


Why do you folks (most of you anyway) blame the LUS folks for your bankruptcy agreement?


Why would you folks (most of you anyway) rather bring us up to your insurance premiums rather than fighting to come down to ours and having more extra money in your check?

Being from LAA in DFW, I have not heard anyone say any bad remarks about LUS people. It would be pretty ignorant to blame other workers for the situation. As for the insurance, most LAA people consider that a real long shot since all other work groups are in the LAA plan. Frankly, I don't blame the IAM for holding out as the TWU would do the same. I don't have a problem with it at all as it's just business. The bankruptcy had nothing to do with US Air. Maybe there are some people from other stations putting blame where it shouldn't be but I've not heard it at DFW. Lots of negative talk about the TWU, but not LUS people.

 

[WeAAsles]

Lots of negative talk about the TWU, but not LUS people.

I guess they all talk Puppies and Rainbows about the Company then huh?

 

[1AA]

I disagree with you that the association's intent is to divide. That was going to happen regardless, even if we were school in a single union. Considering the 4 groups(IAM MT & fleet, TWU MT & fleet), the are a multitude of issues for each group. Each has unique issues. You would never find one solution to please everyone even with what be considered a great contractual outcome. Therefore, I personally don't take issue with the Association.

BINGO!! You just described the division.
Wake up will you?

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I disagree with you that the association's intent is to divide. That was going to happen regardless, even if we were school in a single union. Considering the 4 groups(IAM MT & fleet, TWU MT & fleet), the are a multitude of issues for each group. Each has unique issues. You would never find one solution to please everyone even with what be considered a great contractual outcome. Therefore, I personally don't take issue with the Association.

You are exactly right! "IF" there had been an actual representation election, and no association were ever formed, the company and the digital trolls here would most certainly have exploited these circumstances. They would have used time, and financial resource consuming tactics, that would have resulted in a WEAKER... if ANY representation in the end!

The company is smart enough to use BK, and mergers to wreak havoc on labor groups.
Labor groups must use similar alliance tactics if they plan to exist. That is "IF" the NRTWA doesn't kill them first!

>SPIT<

 

[NYer]

The PT ratio language is TA’d???

No. OT was TA'd.

 

[NYer]

Agreed. But it would be nice to hear that ALL were interested in pushing for the best without others pushing in the opposite direction and settling for less.
We might need your vote to push it over the top, not back down the hill.

Well. There is no vote unless the Director's and Executive Committee agree and since they're the ones that are actually negotiating then there is nothing to worry about. Right?