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TWU Q&A😀oes the TWU membership get to vote on any agreement to modify the CBA?
Yes, all members of each contract group who are in good standing with the TWU are entitled to vote to approve or reject proposed modifications to the CBAs. Any modifications must be approved by a majority of the members affected by the CBA in question.


Does this not indicate a separate vote within the TWU?
Yes. Are you ready, I could be wrong.



This just in. Separate votes. Then the overall vote will be reviewed, one group could have their contract abrogated while the other passes.
 
I'm pretty sure I read an update on the TWU website early this afternoon that had "If you vote yes this will happen" and "If you vote no this will happen". Did anyone else read that, and if so where?
From this link:
http://twubkfacts.org/home/tabid/1494/ctl/detail/mid/3063/itemid/412/amr-bankruptcy-update-for-april-25%2c-2012.aspx

If this timeline holds up, we expect to then announce a ratification vote schedule on the AA's last ask. Such a vote could take place very soon. We cannot give exact dates until all the language is produced by AA, as it is their final offer.

Once we know and announce the exact dates, we will mail all members highlighted information and voting instructions. Members will vote electronically or by phone. We will also post for review the last term sheets of the AA offers of April 4, along with an electronic PDF full text contract. It is this language that goes into place if the bargaining unit votes "yes."

We will additionally provide on-line copies of the Company's 1113 court filing, which goes into place if we vote "no" and the judge rejects the contracts. You will be given side by side comparisons so you can analyze the differences and make an informed vote.
 
Thanks BS, that was it. This is what we know for sure.
AA:The company may implement only those proposals made during the 1113 negotiations - it cannot make changes outside of those proposals.

TWU:We will additionally provide on-line copies of the Company's 1113 court filing, which goes into place if we vote "no" and the judge rejects the contracts.
Is the LBO not part of the "proposals made during the 1113 negotiations"? Why can they not impose the LBO if we vote no?

TWU:If he finds that the concessions demanded by AA are necessary for AA’s reorganization and that the membership rejected them without good cause, he will then reject our contract and AA will be free to impose what it chooses.
"What it chooses" is misleading as they "cannot make changes outside of those proposals."

TWU:This (LBO) offer will be better than the term sheet they originally proposed and it will be better than what the Company will impose if our contract is rejected, but it will still be a grossly unfair and concessionary document.
Also deceptive. Infers three levels, better/bad/worse.

TWU:Moreover, any attempt by the Union to bargain to improve the terms imposed by the Company after contract rejection is subject to the entire Railway Labor Act process of negotiation, mediation, and release – a process which we all know can be delayed almost indefinitely.
Considering this, the membership is left with only one option after rejection. Replace the TWU, begin section 6 negotiations, and pursue the "entire Railway Labor Act process".
 
Because they would be "Taking Over" the bankrupt airline. Yeah they'd be considered a "merger" but US managers would be in control across the board..from the top to the bottom..which may not be a such a bad thing. How many people here are happy with the way their MOD's and CSM's treat them?

When Delta was in bankruptcy, US, who I believe want's to merge with anybody that will have them, wanted to merge with Delta........... problem with the merger was no one but US wanted it and it was called a Hostile Take-over, not a merger ! So what makes this dance with US and AA any better of an option for the folks at AA. I mean I know you hate management right now, but do you really believe Parker and his gang are any better or is it, they can't be worse ?
 
Here is the latest from the IAM copied of the IAM141.org site

US AIRWAYS UPDATE

RICH DELANEY, APRIL 25, 2012—The District 141 Negotiating Team of US Airways met today with representatives of the airline. This was our first opportunity to talk with the company since the announcement of reaching labor agreements with unions representing American Airlines employees. Our intent was to review all available documentation regarding these agreements to determine what effect they may have on our contract and current negotiations. We also wanted to conclude our ongoing discussions regarding seniority protection for IAM members. Since the company did not have the information we believe is essential to our talks going forward, we informed the company we would wait until the information is presented and no further negotiations would be productive until that time.
As of this evening, the company has not given us the information we have requested. Their stated reason for this is that the TWU has not shared the details of the secret negotiations with their members and the company believes it is the responsibility of the TWU to publish the details of the secret deal before it is shared with the members of the IAM.
 
I believe there is a timing issue involved with secrecy.

We all know, one way or another, certain things are going to be changing in our current contract language wether we vote for it or not.
One of those things that will change is recall rights, from indefinite to 5 years .
That could be one of the stumbling blocks to the merger deal that will be cleared, either by our yes vote or by contract rejection. Either way, it will be no more than 5 years after the judge rules June 6th.
Btw, if anyone thinks the judge won't rule to reject, here's a little history lesson for you.
The judge has ruled 33 out of 33 times to reject contracts in bankruptcy cases.
So what is going on now in NY is just a dog and pony show.
At that point all the stations that would open up to members because of a merger would have to be bid into and not recalled into.
Just thinking out loud here, I could be wrong.
 
I believe there is a timing issue involved with secrecy.

We all know, one way or another, certain things are going to be changing in our current contract language wether we vote for it or not.
One of those things that will change is recall rights, from indefinite to 5 years .
That could be one of the stumbling blocks to the merger deal that will be cleared, either by our yes vote or by contract rejection. Either way, it will be no more than 5 years after the judge rules June 6th.
Btw, if anyone thinks the judge won't rule to reject, here's a little history lesson for you.
The judge has ruled 33 out of 33 times to reject contracts in bankruptcy cases.
So what is going on now in NY is just a dog and pony show.
At that point all the stations that would open up to members because of a merger would have to be bid into and not recalled into.
Just thinking out loud here, I could be wrong.

I think you are dead on....While Little was rallying the troops, he failed to mention that while he was orating outside, inside the court it was revealed that a consenual agreement had been reached.

JOB JOBS JOBS ....And I DO NOT want to be insensitive to those who are in jeopardy of losing their jobs, but the TWU could potentially lose near 9000 members in all the classifications they represent. That is a huge loss for them.
 

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