Aircraft maint issues

[bigjets]

I can understand that AA does pay more for their mechanics by just the sheer numbers. But all that is always considered when throwing out the SWA pay scale.

That is odd about signing any airline contract out there. But I don't think you guys would want our ratios and outsourcing %'s.

Are you indicating we have better scope than AA? I don't think so. You all do way more in house than we do, I think. I honestly think AA has the best in house maint. than all the airlines, am I wrong??
Even in past postings we have discussed the 35% of maint cost could very well be close to 50% of maint. all together, but brother, we outsource nearly 70-75%. It has been this way from day one at SWA. If I am not mistaken SWA has 22 Maint. lines outsourced at different FBO's

I hope I didn't read your last statement wrong, but I have always been under the impression that AA did more in house than SWA.

To be a little clearer, AA does the most in house maintenance of any airline, period.

I believe if SWA culture called for no outsourcing or very little, SWA would be making the same as all other AMTs I’m sure someone knows mechanics per aircraft numbers. That would probably would be a better scale, but then again SWA just works on 737s, while the other airline AMTs work multiple fleet types including wide bodies.

One good thing about the TWU and AA, they have been able to keep work in house, along with competitive wages, only for this association to come along and well we all know.

 

[1AA]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apos-average-worker-saved-401-210000796.html

And the clock keeps ticking without that additional increase in our 401k.

 

[swamt]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apos-average-worker-saved-401-210000796.html

And the clock keeps ticking without that additional increase in our 401k.

You are absolutely correct. Just as an example, in our cases at SWA, we mechanics are missing out on 7 years of compounding growth within our 401K's, retirement and profit sharing accounts. Never to be made up for again. Yea we are getting the matches put in after we get all the retro checks and bonuses, but we still missed out on the past 7 years of growth with that money not being there that we will never make up for. That the part that pisses me off the most about this long wait, not so much the hourly rate.
In an honest guess, I am out easily 7-10K per year with the boom we have had in the markets as well as the record upon record profitable quarters as of late.

 

[MetalMover]

You are absolutely correct. Just as an example, in our cases at SWA, we mechanics are missing out on 7 years of compounding growth within our 401K's, retirement and profit sharing accounts. Never to be made up for again. Yea we are getting the matches put in after we get all the retro checks and bonuses, but we still missed out on the past 7 years of growth with that money not being there that we will never make up for. That the part that pisses me off the most about this long wait, not so much the hourly rate.
In an honest guess, I am out easily 7-10K per year with the boom we have had in the markets as well as the record upon record profitable quarters as of late.

Funny thing is there are those who would be more than happy to wait forever for a contract without gaining anything just to say “WE SHOWED THEM!”

 

[chilokie1]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apos-average-worker-saved-401-210000796.html

And the clock keeps ticking without that additional increase in our 401k.

Could be worse, at least you are not depending on the IAMPF for your retirement needs

 

[bigjets]

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/06/18/aa-flights-cancelled-lax-labor-dispute/

Could be worse, there could be a video of union president yelling at AA President, and then the union president having all the mechanics walkout with him, after saying it's going to be a long hot summer.

 

[B737 driver]

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/06/18/aa-flights-cancelled-lax-labor-dispute/

Could be worse, there could be a video of union president yelling at AA President, and then the union president having all the mechanics walkout with him, after saying it's going to be a long hot summer.

The sad thing is the TWU/IAM will continue to do fine, because they have other revenue from other Airlines, or other companies and organized labor groups they represent. You guys continue to lose money, until this is resolved. We always remained professional, and if there was a lawsuit filed by SWA, we had countermeasures. Sitto screwed you guys from his unprofessional behavior, and played right into American Airlines hands.

 

[1AA]

The sad thing is the TWU/IAM will continue to do fine, because they have other revenue from other Airlines, or other companies and organized labor groups they represent. You guys continue to lose money, until this is resolved. We always remained professional, and if there was a lawsuit filed by SWA, we had countermeasures. Sitto screwed you guys from his unprofessional behavior, and played right into American Airlines hands.

Sito who? We never hear from this guy. I wonder if he really exists?

 

[swamt]

Funny thing is there are those who would be more than happy to wait forever for a contract without gaining anything just to say “WE SHOWED THEM!”

Yes. We had those too. However, when the co. is wanting to dismantle the scope sometimes you have no choice but to wait it out as we did. No happy about it but we did save scope. Scope and full retro was the top two items for the membership. Others go down the list that we did gain with as well.

 

[1986Mekanic]

Sito who? We never hear from this guy. I wonder if he really exists?

Gotta agree with you on this one, never seen the guy, I have e no idea what he looks like.

 

[1986Mekanic]

Yes. We had those too. However, when the co. is wanting to dismantle the scope sometimes you have no choice but to wait it out as we did. No happy about it but we did save scope. Scope and full retro was the top two items for the membership. Others go down the list that we did gain with as well.

I don't care about no stinking scope, I'm leaving in a few years anyway...

How people forget, when I hired on years ago, everyone of us new hires were bent at the A scalers because those were the guys that voted in the B and C scale and they were all retiring leaving us to live with what they gave us.

 

[bigjets]

The sad thing is the TWU/IAM will continue to do fine, because they have other revenue from other Airlines, or other companies and organized labor groups they represent. You guys continue to lose money, until this is resolved. We always remained professional, and if there was a lawsuit filed by SWA, we had countermeasures. Sitto screwed you guys from his unprofessional behavior, and played right into American Airlines hands.

I know what Samuelson did, what did Sitti do?

 

[bigjets]

Funny thing is there are those who would be more than happy to wait forever for a contract without gaining anything just to say “WE SHOWED THEM!”

Yep we showed AA by not taking pay raises in 2008 and 2010 (over $70k in cash alone) because it wasn’t restore and more. But I’m going to work all the OT I can and take their money.

Direct quotes from AFW mechanics as they were working in ORD as mechanics junior to them were in DFW and DWH.

 

[bigjets]

I don't care about no stinking scope, I'm leaving in a few years anyway...

How people forget, when I hired on years ago, everyone of us new hires were bent at the A scalers because those were the guys that voted in the B and C scale and they were all retiring leaving us to live with what they gave us.

The thing is, with a scope the company wants (which will be better then all other airlines) those affected by new scope won’t even be at AA or association.

What the A scalers did was bring in new mechanics at half their pay for 10 years working side by side with them. At the time all airlines did their own maint and what our AA scalers did was bring a new era for all airlines to pay new people less to enrich themselves. Then in 2012 voted in Bk contract, took the buyout and left AA and then turned around and sued to get some of our equity.

So not really the same as the A scalers. the the mechs affected negatively by this contract will never even know it, because they will never be hired by AA or pay dues to the association. Unlike all us B scalers.

 

[1986Mekanic]

It is somewhat the same and some of the reasons are the new guys will have even less opportunity for shift and days off due to reduced scope. Their medical will be more. They wont get profit sharing in line with folks at other airlines. Their vacation weeks will be less. And theres more in ac maint and what about facilities and stores... Gone...