Aircraft maint issues

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  1. Vortilon

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    I disagree, people are ashamed of belonging to the TWU, and understand they really have no say so in the decision making process. I know I would be a lot more interested in attending meetings, and participating. I wouldn't be ashamed to wear the logo like I am with the TWU. People would love to be observers in negotiations as well. Yeah, there would be a big change in attitude.
     
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  2. MetalMover

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    Typical TWU fear mongering. They never deviate from the same tired old playbook.
     
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  3. conehead777

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    I would go to union meetings with AMFA I think most of us in the twu stopped going because they never listened to what us the members want are it was over ruled by the international that local 100 bus drivers voted in. With AMFA if not in arbitration they allow observers where the twu likes to hide everything they want even sign there updates. We have to many mechanics that listen to the twu lies. But now if were ever going to switch union is the time. With sito not giving a inch on the iampf the iam already gave up 50 percent on outsourcing. From what I have seen of AMFA they work for what the members want. And why wouldn’t swa and Alaska mechanics not want us. If AMFA is doing our negotiations then we know we’re all on the same page. The way it is the twu set mechanics pay and benefits back, AMFA always seems to get retro pay the only time I Remember the twu getting that was in 01 after AMFA northwest signed. So I contribute that to the AMFA effect .
     
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  4. 1AA

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    And the idiots fall for it. That's why we find ourselves on the same road year after year.
     
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  5. swamt

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    Guys listen up. I have repeatedly said here that we need to get a ruling within AMFA that at least one if not two Reps would have to stay at the top of the AMFA leadership, to represent each airline within AMFA as a voting member and representational leader to cover their airline and always at the top to do so. This way all airlines within AMFA will always be represented at the upper leadership.
    This way, no matter who represents at the National level, ALL airlines will be represented EQUALLY at the top levels. I really want this to happen in order to get you AA'ers as well as other airline mechanics to go with a class and craft union including AMFA. It can be done and I hope we can all get it done. Now let's work to get'er done...
     
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  6. conehead777

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    I agree with you there. I see United amts are trying to set up there own union but there going with the afl-cio . Witch most amts at AA do not want that I know I do not. There a big part for this association that has not worked from day 1. Trumka came up with that. And Jim little signed off on it. I feel if we at AA can get AMFA then the out look for amts will be brighter. The twu was the first with b and c scale. They agreed to let the company take more from us in 03 then the airlines that went into bk. And the association agreed that on field trips the highest to be made was 1.75 not even back to double time like it was. A lot of people say it’s not the right time to sign cards and get a contract first. I disagree we can not lot this association to give up any more that will be felt thru the industry. The twu has set back our profession a lot. They always make a stink about flow thru items when it comes to fleet and stores facilities. But when it came to us they agreed to our sick time of a half day each occurrence. The other groups got full pay the first day. They didn’t even counter sue American over there slow down accusations. The twu will always do what’s best to get more dues.
     
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  7. 1AA

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    Quite on negotiations from BOD meeting.

    but the biggest thing is it's affecting us today from an operating perspective is unfortunately the fact that we are in negotiations with our IAM and TWU represented team members. We're working very hard to get that negotiation to a point where we can deliver to our team what we want to deliver, which is by far the best contract in this industry for all of those team members.


    We haven't been able to crack the code to do that. We're now -- the parties are now with National Mediation Board who now has control over those negotiations and is working with us together to try and get through joint collective body agreement.

    We are optimistic that will result in a contract, which is what our team deserves. And again, as it relates to that contract, we've communicated a lot to our team and for our shareholders, what you should know is, we have put a contract out there that is superior to any contract that any other airline has in place as proof of that -- as proof point of that.

    We have told our team and the unions representing our team that we would happily sign any other contract for these workgroups that's in place, just change the name of the airline to American and we'll happily sign those. That, obviously, is not what they want to do because we have on table is much better than that.

    So we will get this done at some point in time or having trouble getting there. And unfortunately, as far as it relates to the operation is, as these negotiations continue, the unions have taken it upon themselves to try and influence those negotiations by orchestrating any legal work actions, it doesn't take many of our team members certainly in the maintenance group to have to get to the point where we don't have enough airplanes ready to fly in the morning.

    So our team is fantastic. They're trying to do what they can to make sure that their voices are heard. We -- that's -- but again, under the Railway Labor Act, that activity is illegal. So we've filed a lawsuit against the unions and for a preliminary injunction to stop the illegal behavior that lawsuit is -- should be heard sometime this month and we hope that will have a difference.
     
  8. MetalMover

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    Was anything said about the poor stock performance?
     
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    We have always ran lean, we maintained what we have plus we are hiring.
     
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    Why does American call the current "verbal" agreement industry leading when it is NOT. They have only offered to "match" SWA's wages for their mechanics not beat or top them. And they are also not offering anything near our 401K. Ours is dollar for dollar at 9.3%. Plus out profit sharing is another 10-16% annually. We also have a total time off of 7.5 weeks plus 9 holidays. Unlimited day trades for even more time off. We can bank up to 2400 hours of sick time, sell back 2 weeks vac., bank a weeks vac., So how can American say they are offering better than any other contract out there? A bold face lie. American just lied to the BOD. To me that is grounds for replacement.
    I say the union needs to send a letter to the BOD's explaining how American just flat out lied to them and show them in writing how it is NOT an ILC offer.
    I'm also not convinced that AA is offering industry leading in house work (outsourcing) %'s. Since they want to go the IAM's way of outsourcing pretty sure that is NOT industry leading as well.
    An industry leading offer would be LUS medical for all, current outsourcing from LAA, bump 401K to 10% matched, 10-15% PS annually, more vac time off, and holidays etc...
     
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    Hey weezal boy,
    Look how busy a "mechanics" union is over at SWA and ALK. Getting 2 different agreements together at 2 different carries by the same "mechanics" union AMFA. Some well deserved kudos to all involved in getting us an ILC, I say, don't you weezal boy???

    NATIONAL DIRECTOR'S MAY 2019 UPDATE
    Updated On: Jun 11, 2019
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    June 10, 2019

    Dear Members:

    We ended the month of May celebrating Memorial Day. I hope we all can remember those who gave their lives, never forget their sacrifices, tell their stories, celebrate their legacies, and honor the fallen. God bless our loved ones.

    I would like to acknowledge the tremendous effort and dedication our Legislative Affairs Director, Justin Madden and our lobbying firm, Commonwealth Strategic Partners has put forth to encourage the White House to recognize the importance of Aircraft Maintenance Technicians (AMTs) in this aviation industry and continuing to elevate our craft. I was impressed and encouraged that so many groups supported our joint efforts, and I offer my sincere thanks to Senator Duckworth and Congressman Larsen for their work to acknowledge the AMT on our special day – Aviation Maintenance Technicians Day, May 24. Additionally, I extend a special thanks to the Aerospace Maintenance Council and Ken MacTiernan, who we worked with closely to accomplish this letter. Impressively, our hard work paid off, and we were recognized by the President of the United States in the “Presidential Message on Aviation Maintenance Technician Day.”

    May was extremely busy for both the AMFA and Alaska Negotiating Committees in trying to reach a Transition Agreement to bring the Legacy Virgin American (Airbus) Aircraft Maintenance Technicians under the AMFA CBA as well as an Integrated Seniority List. After the release of Update #8 on April 30, 2019, our membership was very vocal about their wishes; therefore, we continued talks the following week. We presented the Company with a proposal on May 10, 2019, and asked for definition purposes, “all-in” be defined as including base pay, license premiums, line premium, and top scale longevity.

    The parties met again on May 14, 2019, and Alaska provided information that was requested by AMFA related to the terms of the other agreements on the property as well as other AMT groups in the industry. Neither side presented additional proposals, but scheduled another session for the following week for.

    The parties met again on May 21, 2019, and May 30, 2019, which included open discussions on a deal that would pass if voted on, legal timelines if vote failed, and the process and timeline to go to arbitration. The ALRs conducted several station visits and received face-to-face feedback from the membership of the line and hangars regarding the supposal and fine tuning it to reach an Agreement in Principal (AIP). Hoping to reach a Transition Agreement and Seniority Integration to vote on, the following meeting was scheduled for June 3, 2019. Please monitor the Alaska Airlines News and Updates page of the AMFA National website for further details.

    We are proud to report that our members’ voices were heard loud and clear on May 21, 2019, when the AMFA-Southwest Airlines membership voted to ratify a collective bargaining agreement with a participation rate of 93.62% and approval of 94.62%. Congratulations AMFA-SWA AMTs. I want to express my undaunted appreciation to the AMFA-SWA membership for their support, dedication, and unity in getting this deserved and justifiable contract. I am extremely honored to represent all of you.

    We cannot forget this was a long 6+ year endeavor, and we must give great appreciation to former AMFA-SWA Airline Representatives and Officers as their commitment and dedication played important roles in paving the road of negotiations: Jack Coonrod, Nino DiMaggio, Matt Townsend, Shane Flachman, Mike Nelson, Mike Young, and Bob Cramer. These leaders fought this fight and contributed at various stages of negotiations.

    A continued thanks and appreciation goes out to our Negotiating Committee; Local Officers and Representatives; Seham Legal Counsel; AMFA Economist; National Officers; National Administrative Team; public relations firms of Mayes Media, Kenefick Communications, and Commerce House – all who unconditionally supported our AMFA- SWA members in getting a well-deserved industry leading contract. Tremendous job and well done by all!

    I would like to share some highlights of a recent article by Bloomberg Law Article - Bloomberg law legal analyst, Robert Combs:

    “[AMFA-SWA Contract] with its mechanics union is single handedly responsible for a boost the average union wage across the country.”

    “One analyst says it’s the largest average bonus he’s ever seen.”

    “But that’s what happens when a company's employees work 7 years without a ratified contract in place. Those missed annual raises just don’t evaporate they accumulate.”

    Going forward I am optimistic about a viable and professional working relationship with management at Southwest Airlines. We still have problems that need to be acknowledged and addressed by both sides. This continues to be a challenging time for Southwest – and the aviation industry as a whole – specifically with the two recent fatal crashes with the Boeing 737MAX aircraft, grounding of the entire MAX fleet, Leap 1B Engine revisions, recent leading edge slat track AD, MCAS revisions, other country’s federal regulators participation of approval of MAX re-introduction, flying public and media opposition to 737 MAX, public opinion of Boeing and FAA oversight, Office of Inspector General (OIG) audit-findings, public hearing and findings of investigation of Flight 1380, and on-time scheduling issues. With hard work, respect, and professionalism we can conquer these challenges together.

    The NEC continues our efforts to achieve the best communication practices to reach our membership. Tools are in place for our members to acquire latest news and updates regarding current events throughout the Association via the National website, AMFA App, and social media. The NEC also continues to conduct station and GMM visits throughout the system. Thank you for your continued support in this communication campaign.

    Reminder: the FAA Hotline reporting system may be utilized to report concerns of aviation safety: https://hotline.faa.gov/. We must realize our grave responsibility as FAA certified airman to exercise our judgement on the airworthiness of aircraft and equipment. We, therefore, pledge unyielding adherence to these precepts for the advancement of public safety of aviation and for the dignity for our craft.

    As always, I ask you please be safe and to stay engaged with your union and officers. For more carrier specific updates and further information regarding AMFA and the airline industry, please visit the AMFA National Website at www.amfanational.org. Our most determined efforts will only succeed with your continued support and participation – please stay informed.

    Sincerely,

    Bret Oestreich
    National Director

    Safety
     
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    Contrasting back to back posts there...
     

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