DL to suspend SEA-HND Flights

[WorldTraveler]

1000 people is 5%.

the standard is 50% plus 1 to win.

doesn't matter if 45% voted or not.

and the LAST vote included tens of thousands of card carrying NW union members at the time - and the unions still lost.

It took VAST numbers of NW employees to vote no on unionization for DL to not become unionized; no one is going to deny that there are PMDL people who have voted for unions.

You do realize that there are more DL employees who once belong to a union but don't now than never did?

If the union appeal was so great, all of the former union members would easily have won the elections.

none of which has anything to do with Tokyo or Asia.

 

[Kev3188]

Well look at you trying to keep a thread on track!

Good for you; hopefully, this means a change in your normal M.O.

 

[topDawg]

1000 people is 5%.

the standard is 50% plus 1 to win.

doesn't matter if 45% voted or not.

and the LAST vote included tens of thousands of card carrying NW union members at the time - and the unions still lost.

It took VAST numbers of NW employees to vote no on unionization for DL to not become unionized; no one is going to deny that there are PMDL people who have voted for unions.

You do realize that there are more DL employees who once belong to a union but don't now than never did?

If the union appeal was so great, all of the former union members would easily have won the elections.

none of which has anything to do with Tokyo or Asia.

Great post with no meaning. 
"Kev and dawg clearly fight the organization that the vast majority of their peers manage to succeed and fit in to."
Do you know what vast means? All that crap you just posted didn't do anything with your quote being completely false. 
 

Well look at you trying to keep a thread on track!

Good for you; hopefully, this means a change in your normal M.O.

Only because he is wrong again. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

tell me what VAST means.

Is it the 2 billion available seat miles DL flies across the Pacific every month?

is it the tens of thousands of former NW employees that don't belong to unions anymore?

do tell me what vast means... in a context, please.

and yes if VAST means anything above 98%, yes, the vast majority of DL employees manage to fit in and succeed.

even if FIT IN means who posts on internet chat forums, 98% is undoubtedly still accurate.

 

[eolesen]

for the last 15 years it has been one big lie. Trusting management at this point just shows how stupid a person can be.

Nah, longer than that.

You left out "of course, we are going to invest in the new Pan Am after we take all the good stuff."

 

[WorldTraveler]

now THAT is laughable coming from an airline that has dismantled more US airlines than any other airline.

EVER.

DL of course didn't forward the documents regarding the Pan Am transaction to a lowly ticket counter agent at AA for approval but there were clauses in that contract that required performance from Pan Am.

Those weren't met.

BTW, the case went to court.

DL won.

Feel free to carry the chip on your shoulders for PA.

the rest of the world has moved on.

 

[topDawg]

tell me what VAST means.

Is it the 2 billion available seat miles DL flies across the Pacific every month?

is it the tens of thousands of former NW employees that don't belong to unions anymore?

do tell me what vast means... in a context, please.

and yes if VAST means anything above 98%, yes, the vast majority of DL employees manage to fit in and succeed.

even if FIT IN means who posts on internet chat forums, 98% is undoubtedly still accurate.

proof? more than 2% of Delta employees are in a union or want to be in a union. So......basically your just making up stuff again. 
 

Nah, longer than that.

You left out "of course, we are going to invest in the new Pan Am after we take all the good stuff."

or how great buying Comair was for the company. 2 billion for nothing. 

 

[eolesen]

now THAT is laughable coming from an airline that has dismantled more US airlines than any other airline.

EVER.

And yet, the vast majority of employees whose airlines were "dismantled" still had jobs at the end of those transactions?

TransCarib - no job losses
AirCal - no job losses
Reno - no substantial losses
TWA - substantial losses after 9/11, majority were recalled

I'm guessing more people lost their jobs permanently from the shutdown of Pan Am than did at AA. The conventional wisdom is that over 7,000 jobs were lost directly from Pan Am's shutdown.

You'd really have to stretch to get to even 5,000 jobs lost at TW and QQ due to "dismantling", since all the FA's and pilots were eventually recalled, and the ground workers were able to transfer over to AA stations when RNO, STL, MCI, and JFK were wound down.

 

[WorldTraveler]

whether there were job losses at Pan Am or not, you can't quite absorb that DL made no commitment to Pan Am other than the 6500 employees DL hired and the $100M investment that Pan Am burned thru in less than 2 months, far before the goals for when they were supposed to turn the company around.

again, E, the Pan Am lawsuit was settled and DL was vindicated. Feel free to be the sacrificial lamb for the cause.

swamt, since no one knows how many cards the unions hold, you have no proof that they have cards representing 2% of DL's non-contract work force right now. and of course it is a given that the pilots and dispatchers amount to more than 2% of the workforce; that's not who was being discussed.

actually, you have no way of knowing how much revenue Comair and ASA generated for the company during the period when they existed. It's popular to argue DL blew those investments and it sure would have been better to have gotten something for them, but there really has been no "soft landings" n the regional airline sector.

 

[eolesen]

again, E, the Pan Am lawsuit was settled and DL was vindicated. Feel free to be the sacrificial lamb for the cause.

Nah, just pointing out how wrong you are about who was responsible for more job losses thru mergers and acquisitions.

It's probably safe to say that Pan Am would have never agreed to the Europe sale knowing DL would renege once the first deal was executed.

DL was vindicated, but they also went shopping for a judge who would rule in their favor.

http://www.businessweek.com/stories/1995-02-19/how-delta-flew-circles-around-pan-am-in-court

Pan Am's mistake was not asking for a jury on the breach lawsuit, and for not having a stronger contract with DL on the acquisition in the first place.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Nah, just pointing out how wrong you are about who was responsible for more job losses thru mergers and acquisitions.

It's probably safe to say that Pan Am would have never agreed to the Europe sale knowing DL would renege once the first deal was executed.

DL was vindicated, but they also went shopping for a judge who would rule in their favor.

http://www.businessweek.com/stories/1995-02-19/how-delta-flew-circles-around-pan-am-in-court

Pan Am's mistake was not asking for a jury on the breach lawsuit, and for not having a stronger contract with DL on the acquisition in the first place.

carry the cross if it makes you feel better. It won't change anything.

If you remember, which might help shape the context, AA had already bought TW's LHR routes and UA had already bought UA's LHR routes so there weren't exactly tons of other options out there.

I know the concept is hard for you to grasp but there were performance requirements in DL's investment in Pan Am Latin America. They didn't meet them. DL had no obligation to invest any more.

Finally, let us know how many other airlines hired 6500 employees in ANY non-merger transaction cuz that is how many Pan Am employees DL hired.

and DL has a whole lot more of its Western, NE, and NW mergers to show for than most of AA's.

 

[robbedagain]

I thought ual brought PAA pacific routes ?

 

[700UW]

UA bought UA's LHR routes? Um no.

 

[topDawg]

UA bought UA's LHR routes? Um no.

think he meant to say UA bought PAs LHR routes. 
 
and Robbed UA did also buy PAs Asian routes. (and MIA hub) 

 

[WorldTraveler]

correct. In contract to the Shuttle and the TATL assets minus LHR which DL bought, UA bought the Pacific - and AA was left flat-footed at UA's win which has plagued AA ever since, plus LHR, and the Latin America division which was what was left over after Pan Am collapsed. UA pulled down the MIA-Latin America operation and has nothing to show for it.

UA didn't take anywhere near as many employees with all of these acquisitions as DL did.