Guys, guys, guys. Ignore brownmech. He is only here to deflect the issues at hand. His postings are a regular bamble from the bottle. He has no new info or revelant info. He is posting as fast as he can to get his posting numbers raised. Let him go. Leave him be. Ignore him. It will drive his crazy, lol. I like the post that said it might be anomaly, lol, that was a good one, it more than likely is...
Teamsters posting Names of Card signers at LAX
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Yes I am willing to help get cards signed and Jim knows who I am and how to get a hold of me BUT first we need to decide, as a whole group which union we want to represent us because face it, as long as we're split between AMFA and the IBT we're not going anywhere. Nothing is going to happen and we'll continue to be stuck with the TWU. We can not continue to split the vote or we'll remain in this limbo forever. One of these two unions has to step aside or be swept aside. Until then we're all just pissing in the wind. How long does everybody want to keep this up? Another duel card drive this year, another one next year and so on and so forth. The TWU is loving this. We're making fools out of ourselves.
1AA
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The twu is orchestrating this. They want the teamsters to prevail over Amfa. No resistance from the twu on the Ibt raid but both are bad mouthing Amfa. Why is that? Craft union over industrial unions anyday. Less dues to pay to a union that spends more on its members. Amfa has mtc locals already setup and ready to go. Teamsters tells us we will be mixed in with other groups because it cost more to have our own locals. Yet they collect higher dues. Why is that? Teamsters is going after the frozen pensions at ual/cal AMTs. They never asked them to take over the pensions. If the teamsters get in at aa they will make a move for our pensions. I got this info from a friend of mine who works at ual/cal in sfo. Teamsters wants money. That's it. They see dollar signs not individuals. Push them aside like you said and focus on Amfa. If any future merger comes around it will complicate things. AMFA is the only choice we have. Amfa is not even a option. It is the only way to go. I think we all had enough of the twu. Teamsters will be a continuation of the twu. They have the same structure and will cost us more money and it might cost us what's left of our pensions. It's crunch time. Amfa or bust!
Ken MacTiernan
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I don't think we are making fools of ourselves. In fact I know we have the twu's attention because the teamsters are here at their request. Funny how the twu can only attack AMFA but act as if the teamsters are only window shopping.
We have decided that AMFA is the union for our craft. The fact that witt was able to get some cards signed in LAX was only because he works there and fed off the anger we all have towards the twu. He used empty promises and "name recognition" for the teamsters. But when it comes down to shining a light on the teamsters which reveals that they are a mirror image of the twu people realize that AMFA is the only choice for our craft at AA... and industry wide.
Since Jim knows who you are then I'd like to ask that you help out in LAX. Each AMFA card signed gets us that much closer to filing.
Changing to the teamsters from the twu is like changing our socks from one foot to the the other and saying "We changed our socks." but did we really change? The teamsters will not step aside and if AMFA organizers stepped aside that would be exactly what the twu wants as the teamsters will not file and the twu will have escaped another close call. Besides, if AMFA organizers stepped aside we would do a great injustice to AA AMTs and also an injustice for our craft as a whole.
As certificated AMTs it is our responsibility to make our craft better and bringing a craft, democratic union in at AA will be a great way of meeting this responsibility.
Ken MacTiernan
SAN AMT
Why would you put another industrial union in place that you have "no control" as far as international officers and alot of the local officers?? Tulsa needs to look at it this way: Bring AMFA in, vote in all officers to run AMFA locals. Do NOT vote in any currently running as union reps and officers of the TWU OR anyone supporting teamsters, they will try to sabatoge the AMFA from within. Watch these guys like a hawk, if any of them do something the membership does not like then fire them, and vote someone else in. With AMFA you won't have to change complete unions to bring change to the ranks, you simply change the leadership at the local level, or even at the National level, that simple. You guys vote the teamsters in and will be worse than you got it now. We (southwest airline mechs X-teamsters) are trying to warn you before it's too late. Bring AMFA in where the membership has much much more control of their union. A mechanics union running a mechs union...
Anomaly
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Yeah, bring amfa in. We all love a circus, and the clowns are the best act of all. Bring amfa in and you will know what a three ring negotiation circus can feel like. Not so sure??
Take a look at the negotiations between amfa-SWA and Teamsters-UAL.
Teamsters have met for three weeks straight and have completed over half of the agreement since starting just a few weeks ago in January.
http://www.teamster....s-weekly-update
amfa started negotiations several months ago and is working unsuccessfully, one article at a time on an average of about two to four days a month. The negotiating committee is made up solely of elected officials representing only the union and does not contain even one regular rank and file mechanic (the everyday guy). The observers should be part of the negotiations, not just a silent back seat. "Thanks for listening..."
http://www.amfanatio...m&HomeID=255391
Just look at this campaign....who in amfa is in charge? Grass roots will only take you so far, after that, you need a real union who can lead and gain the respect of the company.
We tried amfa at United Airlines and they failed us miserably. They will fail and hurt you more than you realize at AA. Simply put, amfa is a very bad implementation of a good idea. Teamsters have taken the best part of that idea and turned it to a success story for mechanics at UAL and CAL
Besides the breakdown at UAL, look at NWA! Are you sure you want to gamble your futures on a proven failure of a union? amfa has tried for 50 years and delivered what???
If you want your negotiations to be like a Circus...or you love clowns....vote amfa....the jokes on you.
Our negotiations are going just fine.Yeah, bring amfa in. We all love a circus, and the clowns are the best act of all. Bring amfa in and you will know what a three ring negotiation circus can feel like. Not so sure??
Take a look at the negotiations between amfa-SWA and Teamsters-UAL.
Teamsters have met for three week straight and have completed over half of the agreement since starting just a few weeks ago.
http://www.teamster.org/content/ualcalcmi-mechanics-weekly-update
amfa started negotiations several months ago is working unsuccessfully at one article on an average for about two to four days a month. The negotiating committee is made up solely of elected officials representing the union and does not contain even one regular rank and file mechanic (the everyday guy).
http://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&HomeID=255391
Just look at this campaign....who in amfa is in charge? Grass roots will only take you so far, after that, you need a real union who can gain the respect of the company.
We tried amfa at United Airlines and they failed us miserably. They will fail and hurt you more than you realize at AA. Simply put, amfa is simply a very bad implementation of a very good idea. Besides the breakdown at UAL, look at NWA! Are you sure you want to gamble your futures on a proven failure of a union? amfa has tried for 50 years and delivered what???
If you want your negotiations to be like a Circus...or you love clowns....vote amfa....the jokes on you.
But if you want to talk about a real circus, it has to be the UAL-CAL seniority integration.
The IBT only has to negotiate with themselves to get that done but haven't been able to do it for what? 2 years is it?
Maybe it is easy for the teamsters to negotiate contract language with a company behind closed doors without observers and giving in to the company all the time.
Let's see the IBT SLI agreement before you stick your nose into our contract talks.
You forget that the teamsters folded like a cheap suit when they went against us in our SLI negotiations.
And the IBT agreed to that turd.
1AA
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Yeah, bring amfa in. We all love a circus, and the clowns are the best act of all. Bring amfa in and you will know what a three ring negotiation circus can feel like. Not so sure??
Take a look at the negotiations between amfa-SWA and Teamsters-UAL.
Teamsters have met for three weeks straight and have completed over half of the agreement since starting just a few weeks ago in January.
http://www.teamster....s-weekly-update
amfa started negotiations several months ago and is working unsuccessfully, one article at a time on an average of about two to four days a month. The negotiating committee is made up solely of elected officials representing only the union and does not contain even one regular rank and file mechanic (the everyday guy). The observers should be part of the negotiations, not just a silent back seat. "Thanks for listening..."
http://www.amfanatio...m&HomeID=255391
Just look at this campaign....who in amfa is in charge? Grass roots will only take you so far, after that, you need a real union who can lead and gain the respect of the company.
We tried amfa at United Airlines and they failed us miserably. They will fail and hurt you more than you realize at AA. Simply put, amfa is a very bad implementation of a good idea. Teamsters have taken the best part of that idea and turned it to a success story for mechanics at UAL and CAL
Besides the breakdown at UAL, look at NWA! Are you sure you want to gamble your futures on a proven failure of a union? amfa has tried for 50 years and delivered what???
If you want your negotiations to be like a Circus...or you love clowns....vote amfa....the jokes on you.
AMFA settled the seniority issue at SWA. How is the seniority issue progressing at UAL/CAL? Seniority is everything and the Teamsters can not settle it after how long?
I will take my chances with AMFA any day over the money sucking Teamsters.
Yeah, bring amfa in. We all love a circus, and the clowns are the best act of all. Bring amfa in and you will know what a three ring negotiation circus can feel like. Not so sure??
Take a look at the negotiations between amfa-SWA and Teamsters-UAL.
Teamsters have met for three weeks straight and have completed over half of the agreement since starting just a few weeks ago in January.
http://www.teamster....s-weekly-update
amfa started negotiations several months ago and is working unsuccessfully, one article at a time on an average of about two to four days a month. The negotiating committee is made up solely of elected officials representing only the union and does not contain even one regular rank and file mechanic (the everyday guy). The observers should be part of the negotiations, not just a silent back seat. "Thanks for listening..."
http://www.amfanatio...m&HomeID=255391
Just look at this campaign....who in amfa is in charge? Grass roots will only take you so far, after that, you need a real union who can lead and gain the respect of the company.
We tried amfa at United Airlines and they failed us miserably. They will fail and hurt you more than you realize at AA. Simply put, amfa is a very bad implementation of a good idea. Teamsters have taken the best part of that idea and turned it to a success story for mechanics at UAL and CAL
Besides the breakdown at UAL, look at NWA! Are you sure you want to gamble your futures on a proven failure of a union? amfa has tried for 50 years and delivered what???
If you want your negotiations to be like a Circus...or you love clowns....vote amfa....the jokes on you.
Wow. Your first post in awhile and it's full of lies, as usual Anomally:
Your anology speaks volumes for AMFA and shows just how the teamsters really do nego. AMFA is being exceptionally thorough with each and every article that they discuss. teamsters are just agreeing (behind closed doors) with the company on everything, hence the quick movement at UAL. We don't care how long it takes, we will just sit back and enjoy our industry leading contract until the time comes.
The nego team is in fact "all" elected officials. They are "all" rank and file members, mechanics, QC inspectors, and when neccessary AMFA will pull in rank and file members from our newer groups to assist in nego new language for MC, Tech Sups, and Instructors. I repeat "THE ENTIRE NEGO CMTE IS ELECTED, NOT APPOINTED, RANK AND FILE MEMBERS" (the everyday mechanic as you put it).
Wrong again buddy; our observers are directly involved with nego's. While at the table AMFA has a rule; No observers nego directly with the company. If an observer has something to say, he or she, will bring it to the attention of the lead nego and a caucuss will break out to hear what the observers have to say. Then apply such info at the table next time they go back. Can you do this with your union? Nope. Nobody does this but AMFA.
There is a card drive at UAL to fire the teamsters. AMFA and IAM drives. And since there is a drive at US to fire the IAM, and after AA brings in AMFA, I foresee an easily won electorial vote for AMFA to come back to UAL. Simply put the teamsters have not followed thru with one single promice that they said they would do.
Wow. The teamsters are 1/2 way thru your entire contract in a matter of 3 weeks. No thx brother. I'll keep my thorough AMFA cmte members at my table anyday.
“US Airways needs to get serious about coming to contract terms with its own employees instead of bribing American’s employees to support its merger dreams,” said IAM General Vice President Sito Pantoja.
“Management needs to spend less time and money on hypothetical mergers and more time addressing their current employess’ needs. This 4.3 percent raise is not even a down payment on what IAM members at US Airways will get at the conclusion of our negotiations,” said Pantoja. ”IAM members can rest assured that their negotiators will not ask them to accept such a paltry pay increase. IAM members, and only IAM members, will determine the terms of their contract.”
“The executives at US Airways should be ashamed of themselves. IAM members have made this carrier a success once again only to be treated with disrespect,” said Pantoja. “It’s time to pay the rent and the paltry 4.3 percent USAirways offered American’s employees is unacceptable.”
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“Management needs to spend less time and money on hypothetical mergers and more time addressing their current employess’ needs. This 4.3 percent raise is not even a down payment on what IAM members at US Airways will get at the conclusion of our negotiations,” said Pantoja. ”IAM members can rest assured that their negotiators will not ask them to accept such a paltry pay increase. IAM members, and only IAM members, will determine the terms of their contract.”
“The executives at US Airways should be ashamed of themselves. IAM members have made this carrier a success once again only to be treated with disrespect,” said Pantoja. “It’s time to pay the rent and the paltry 4.3 percent USAirways offered American’s employees is unacceptable.”
rotflmao..
