Teamsters posting Names of Card signers at LAX

[ThirdSeatHero]

Take a look at the negotiations between amfa-SWA and Teamsters-UAL.

Teamsters have met for three weeks straight and have completed over half of the agreement since starting just a few weeks ago in January.

http://www.teamster....s-weekly-update

amfa started negotiations several months ago and is working unsuccessfully, one article at a time on an average of about two to four days a month. The negotiating committee is made up solely of elected officials representing only the union and does not contain even one regular rank and file mechanic (the everyday guy). The observers should be part of the negotiations, not just a silent back seat. "Thanks for listening..."

http://www.amfanatio...m&HomeID=255391

Typical teamsters deception.

1 airline in normal negotiations -SWA/AMFA

1 airline in joint cba negotiations -UAL/ibt

While I'm reasonably sure both airlines would like a deal, UAL is obviously more motivated to do a deal clearly seeking the production synergies from the merger with CAL

You're trying to play up the ibts negotiating prowess when it was, in point of fact, UAL that invited the ibt to enter into expedited negotiations.

 

[Anomaly]

Yeah, bring amfa in. We all love a circus, and the clowns are the best act of all. Bring amfa in and you will know what a three ring negotiation circus can feel like. Not so sure??

Take a look at the negotiations between amfa-SWA and Teamsters-UAL.

Teamsters have met for three weeks straight and have completed over half of the agreement since starting just a few weeks ago in January.

http://www.teamster....s-weekly-update

amfa started negotiations several months ago and is working unsuccessfully, one article at a time on an average of about two to four days a month. The negotiating committee is made up solely of elected officials representing only the union and does not contain even one regular rank and file mechanic (the everyday guy). The observers should be part of the negotiations, not just a silent back seat. "Thanks for listening..."

http://www.amfanatio...m&HomeID=255391

Just look at this campaign....who in amfa is in charge? Grass roots will only take you so far, after that, you need a real union who can lead and gain the respect of the company.

We tried amfa at United Airlines and they failed us miserably. They will fail and hurt you more than you realize at AA. Simply put, amfa is a very bad implementation of a good idea. Teamsters have taken the best part of that idea and turned it to a success story for mechanics at UAL and CAL

Besides the breakdown at UAL, look at NWA! Are you sure you want to gamble your futures on a proven failure of a union? amfa has tried for 50 years and delivered what???

If you want your negotiations to be like a Circus...or you love clowns....vote amfa....the jokes on you.

Typical teamsters deception.

1 airline in normal negotiations -SWA/AMFA

1 airline in joint cba negotiations -UAL/ibt

While I'm reasonably sure both airlines would like a deal, UAL is obviously more motivated to do a deal clearly seeking the production synergies from the merger with CAL

You're trying to play up the ibts negotiating prowess when it was, in point of fact, UAL that invited the ibt to enter into expedited negotiations.

But yet no such invitation from SWA to amfa....

It seems both sides of the Southwest/amfa issue are comfortable with a long drawn out negotiating period. This probably serves both equally. SWA is in no hurry to advance pay and benefits at a time when their profits are questionable and amfa is happy to defer the fact they have little experience with successful negotiations.

 

[WNMECH]

But yet no such invitation from SWA to amfa....

It seems both sides of the Southwest/amfa issue are comfortable with a long drawn out negotiating period. This probably serves both equally. SWA is in no hurry to advance pay and benefits at a time when their profits are questionable and amfa is happy to defer the fact they have little experience with successful negotiations.

You have no idea of what you are talking about.
You are just making it up as you go.
The pace and progress is no slower than when the teamsters were here.

And even though you tried to say you have a SLI deal earlier, no SLI for UAL-CAL exists and isn't expected for probably another year.
A recommendation from the SLI committee is NOT a SLI.
Let's just see how long it takes for those guys it get onto one list.
All while UAL guys are still in furlough and the IBT still let's CAL hire off the street.

You should be working on your own problems instead of pretending that we have negotiating problems here.

After both contracts are settled how about we compare wages and benefits?
I am sure the mighty IBT can beat our little AMFA at negotiating.
Just like in our Airtran SLI talks huh.

 

[xmarlin]

This thread has been hijacked methinks

 

[swamt]

It is on the web site I posted. Seniority is date of hire for lay off and recall. Not some watered down piece of turd like you all implemented at SWA.

Anomally:
Your anology speaks volumes for AMFA and shows just how the teamsters really do nego. AMFA is being exceptionally thorough with each and every article that they discuss. teamsters are just agreeing (behind closed doors) with the company on everything, hence the quick movement at UAL. We don't care how long it takes, we will just sit back and enjoy our industry leading contract until the time comes.
The nego team is in fact "all" elected officials. They are "all" rank and file members, mechanics, QC inspectors, and when neccessary AMFA will pull in rank and file members from our newer groups to assist in nego new language for MC, Tech Sups, and Instructors. I repeat "THE ENTIRE NEGO CMTE IS ELECTED, NOT APPOINTED, RANK AND FILE MEMBERS" (the everyday mechanic as you put it).
Wrong again buddy; our observers are directly involved with nego's. While at the table AMFA has a rule; No observers nego directly with the company. If an observer has something to say, he or she, will bring it to the attention of the lead nego and a caucuss will break out to hear what the observers have to say. Then apply such info at the table next time they go back. Can you do this with your union? Nope. Nobody does this but AMFA.
There is a card drive at UAL to fire the teamsters. AMFA and IAM drives. And since there is a drive at US to fire the IAM, and after AA brings in AMFA, I foresee an easily won electorial vote for AMFA to come back to UAL. Simply put the teamsters have not followed thru with one single promice that they said they would do.

Wow. The teamsters are 1/2 way thru your entire contract in a matter of 3 weeks. No thx brother. I'll keep my thorough AMFA cmte members at my table anyday.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

But yet no such invitation from SWA to amfa....

It seems both sides of the Southwest/amfa issue are comfortable with a long drawn out negotiating period. This probably serves both equally. SWA is in no hurry to advance pay and benefits at a time when their profits are questionable and amfa is happy to defer the fact they have little experience with successful negotiations.

You can attempt to redirect all you wish, your negotiations comparison was deceptive.

We are further along because UAL invited the ibt into expedited negotiations, not because of any imagined ibt negotiating skill.

 

[Overspeed]

Yeah you're right. We don't care. We're willing to stand up and publicy say we want a change. $350.00 a year is chump change compared to what this TWU has cost us on this contract and over the years and $350.00 is chump change compared to what it's costing you to relocate to MIA thanks to this TWU negotated contract. I guess some of you don't get it. We're sick of the TWU, fed up, tired of this s__t. We here at LAX have signed AMFA cards every time they've come around, for years and years all to no avail. AMFA just can't quite get it done. LAX isn't the problem. The eunuch's in TULE are the problem. IBT says 90% of us signed Teamsters cards but 100% of us want the TWU gone. The TWU's elimination of the line locals was the last straw for any remaining TWU holdouts here at LAX.
At this point we're willing to go with whoever can actually win this battle. AMFA reps were recently here to talk to us and were denied access to the property. We the members found out about this after the fact and we're not happy about it. We're demanding answers from those responsible and believe me, there's a lot of finger pointing and blame sharing going on out here related to that incident. We want and deserve to hear what they have to say but at this point the general consensus out here is that whoever can get us away from the TWU the fastest is going to win our battle.

So you back the line AMT is superior to the base AMT? You are willing to sacrifice the base AMTs just like those smart guys Ruiz, Rojas, Owens, and Peterson. One of them started in the base, one spent more time throwing bags then he ever was as a mechanic, another feels that since he can see Wall Street from his house he is smarter than all the lawyers and MBA's, and the other one must have dropped a barbell on his head at the gym because he used to be smart.

The line AMT elitism is a BS ideology that AMFA sold to all those NW, AS, and UA members that are no longer in the industry. The IBT, well they promised UA that they would reopen the contract when they became their rep and three years later, they actually did. Teamster power? Whatever. Has the IBT brought any new jobs in house? No. In fact they lost the OSV arbitration that finally scrapped the scope language at UA permanently in the 2012 CBA. There is no cap at UA now. Of course you love that AMFA/IBT AMT don't you? You would love to see those TUL AMTs lose their job but would they? A lot of them have some good seniority. Do you have pre-1990 seniority? Didn't think that through did you?

 

[DNTULSA]

Underspeed;

You remind me of a Tarzan movie.

you are a cheeta, and you are always lion!

!

 

[swamt]

Underspeed;

You remind me of a Tarzan movie.

you are a cheeta, and you are always lion!

!

The dumb-ass doesn't even realize who is still in biz or not, LOL... Gotta love this stuff man.

 

[Bob Owens]

So you back the line AMT is superior to the base AMT? You are willing to sacrifice the base AMTs just like those smart guys Ruiz, Rojas, Owens, and Peterson. One of them started in the base, one spent more time throwing bags then he ever was as a mechanic, another feels that since he can see Wall Street from his house he is smarter than all the lawyers and MBA's, and the other one must have dropped a barbell on his head at the gym because he used to be smart.

The line AMT elitism is a BS ideology that AMFA sold to all those NW, AS, and UA members that are no longer in the industry. The IBT, well they promised UA that they would reopen the contract when they became their rep and three years later, they actually did. Teamster power? Whatever. Has the IBT brought any new jobs in house? No. In fact they lost the OSV arbitration that finally scrapped the scope language at UA permanently in the 2012 CBA. There is no cap at UA now. Of course you love that AMFA/IBT AMT don't you? You would love to see those TUL AMTs lose their job but would they? A lot of them have some good seniority. Do you have pre-1990 seniority? Didn't think that through did you?

Elitism? So if one group is willing to sell themselves cheaply, as long as everyone else, even those who live in high cost areas , get the same wage, then if the guys in high cost areas resist that makes them elitists?

The fact is we are the lowest compensated mechanics in the industry, way below the average wage, lowest in vacation accumulation, lowest in Holidays, lowest in sick time.

According to you us wanting to make what everyone else makes makes us elitists. You have successfully lowered the expectations of those in Tulsa to the point where they don't think they are worth what other mechanics are worth and you are proud of that.

Expecting to make what others make doing the same work does not make us elitists, however you coming here and spinning things while pretending to be a Union man does make you a fraud.

You were quiet for a while, trying to straighten up the mess you created?

 

[jacfrost]

Not trying to hi-jack this thread, but Overspeed, seniority was meaningless in the AFW RIF................ I was lucky to get AMT-O but it was only few of us who got lucky.........

 

[Rogallo]

Elitism? So if one group is willing to sell themselves cheaply, as long as everyone else, even those who live in high cost areas , get the same wage, then if the guys in high cost areas resist that makes them elitists?

The fact is we are the lowest compensated mechanics in the industry, way below the average wage, lowest in vacation accumulation, lowest in Holidays, lowest in sick time.

According to you us wanting to make what everyone else makes makes us elitists. You have successfully lowered the expectations of those in Tulsa to the point where they don't think they are worth what other mechanics are worth and you are proud of that.

Expecting to make what others make doing the same work does not make us elitists, however you coming here and spinning things while pretending to be a Union man does make you a fraud.

You were quiet for a while, trying to straighten up the mess you created?

Very well said Bob.

TWU HAS GOTTA GO.
WAKE UP DUMBASSES.
GO AMFA

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

I found under the USAiways organizing web page for the Teamsters that the IBT HAS NOW Posted the names of Organizers as well as some card signers here in Miami as well. They are now claiming that they have support here in Miami.

They must be talking about the Title II guys since most of them support IBT.
"YES" it is true some of the title 1 guys have signed both AMFA and IBT cards, for the reason they want an election and want the TWU gone.

But Yet again the IBT is/has put out a flyer with names of AA employees that have signed cards and claiming them to be organizers.

The IBT is now trying to get the support of the IAM represented mechanics at USAir as well. Hoping that in all the confusion of the merger and the deal cut by the TWU will help them gain a foot hold there to aid in getting the AA mechanics as well.

 

[1AA]

You just got to love this stuff.

 

[LAX AMT]

So you back the line AMT is superior to the base AMT? You are willing to sacrifice the base AMTs just like those smart guys Ruiz, Rojas, Owens, and Peterson. One of them started in the base, one spent more time throwing bags then he ever was as a mechanic, another feels that since he can see Wall Street from his house he is smarter than all the lawyers and MBA's, and the other one must have dropped a barbell on his head at the gym because he used to be smart.

The line AMT elitism is a BS ideology that AMFA sold to all those NW, AS, and UA members that are no longer in the industry. The IBT, well they promised UA that they would reopen the contract when they became their rep and three years later, they actually did. Teamster power? Whatever. Has the IBT brought any new jobs in house? No. In fact they lost the OSV arbitration that finally scrapped the scope language at UA permanently in the 2012 CBA. There is no cap at UA now. Of course you love that AMFA/IBT AMT don't you? You would love to see those TUL AMTs lose their job but would they? A lot of them have some good seniority. Do you have pre-1990 seniority? Didn't think that through did you?

Where in any of my posts did you see anything implying that "the line AMT is superior to the base AMT"? Did I say that? Those are questions so answer them. And yes I have pre 1990 seniority. 1985 seniority as a matter of fact. I left Tulsa in 1987. And did you mean TUL or TULE? There is a differance, are you even aware of that?
There's enough empty promises from all three of these unions floating around out there to create a level playing field when it comes to empty promises.
Do you really see anyone from TULE with more seniority then 1985 bumping into LAX? Are you kidding me? Anyone in TULE with that kind of seniority is close enough to retirement that if they were to get layed off it would be highly unlikely that they would uproot their family at this stage in their lives and move to Los Angeles. Are you even remotely aware of the cost of living out here? Would you? Would you sell your house and come out here and rent a one bedroom apartment for more then you pay for your mortage? What would your wife have to say about that?
I came from TULE. I know what the mentality is out there. You people never gave a s__t about the line AMT's. Now that y'all's ox may get gored you think we on the line give a s__t about you guys? For years and years and years the TWU took care of the base's because that's where the numbers were and the guys on the line got thrown a bone here and there while you base guys got fat on the gravy. And now the tides a changing. There's enough guys out there pissed off over this last contract that we may actually get rid of the TWU once and for all and you base guys are starting to sweat. You idiots voted this POS contract in. This contract that y'all wanted so bad may be the very thing that gets your precious TWU ushered out the f---ing door once and for all.