Frank Szabo
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... and if frogs had wings, they could screw pigeons ... damn - that'd be some ugly pups.
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Thats not what they said in court. To me thats good news, it makes it that much more likely that the court will reject the companys motion.The more unreasonable the ask the more likley AA will be among the 10% or so the court denies. They are asking the judge to let them impose a 10 year wage freeze when we already lag the rest of the industry-never happened, to let them dump the DB pension and not replace it with anything-dont believe thats happened either, and to wipe out the AIP and not give us Profit Sharing or any equity whatsoever-United got Convertible notes and equity, all so they can make $3 billion a year in profits? Was that the intended purpose of C-11?
This just goes to show how desperately the company wants to scare us into not putting this before the Judge. If they were confident that the Judge was to rule in their favor wouldnt they want us to reject it?
If the company was able to give this under their business plan if we ratified it then what is the business arguement they are going to tell the Judge that now they arent? Isnt that essentially making an offer and taking it back? Like I said before they are approaching this like regular negotiatiations not just ASKing for what needed to exit BK successfully.
AA said right up until they filed that their labor costs put them at an $800 million disadvantage, yet they demanded $1.25 billion
AA wants us to give up $1.25 billion so they can make $3 billion a year in profits
AA is already paying us the lowest wage in the industry
AA already gives us the least amount of sick time
AA already gives us the least amount of Vacation
AA already gives us the fewest paid Holidays
AA already pays us less for working Holidays than anyone else
AA is claiming thats not enough, they need us to give up PVs and work rules that are already among the most flexible in the industry in addition to outsourcing up to 55% of the work(if RR bails)
I hear that some of the 514 guys have put together a 20 page booklet about me. I look forward to reading it!
One question for those boys, "How does getting rid of system protection for everyone save jobs?"
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Letter from AA’s VP of Employee Relations to Jim Little May 10, 2012
May 11, 2012
May 10, 2012
Dear Jim:
There have been a number of misstatements recently made on the various Internet blogs, YouTube videos and other collateral material produced by some of the TWU Locals about the Company’s March Term Sheets that are before the Court. They paint a very inaccurate picture of what will happen if the Company proposals are not ratified and the Court rejects the current collective bargaining agreements.
So there is no confusion about our intentions, let me reiterate the Company’s position. Any provision in the March term sheet that was dependent on a ratified consensual agreement will not be implemented without the ratification of the consensual agreement. We have made that very clear throughout the negotiations process since February 1.
For example, the following items are available only under a ratified consensual agreement:
If you should have any questions, please do not hesitate to call me
Sincerely,
Laura Einspanier
Vice President
Employee Relations
May 11, 2012
May 10, 2012
Dear Jim:
There have been a number of misstatements recently made on the various Internet blogs, YouTube videos and other collateral material produced by some of the TWU Locals about the Company’s March Term Sheets that are before the Court. They paint a very inaccurate picture of what will happen if the Company proposals are not ratified and the Court rejects the current collective bargaining agreements.
So there is no confusion about our intentions, let me reiterate the Company’s position. Any provision in the March term sheet that was dependent on a ratified consensual agreement will not be implemented without the ratification of the consensual agreement. We have made that very clear throughout the negotiations process since February 1.
For example, the following items are available only under a ratified consensual agreement:
- 1.5% wage increases
- Early Out Incentive Allowance
- Company prefunding refund
- 401(k) match up to 5.5%
- 1st dollar Profit Sharing Plan
- Gain Sharing proposal
If you should have any questions, please do not hesitate to call me
Sincerely,
Laura Einspanier
Vice President
Employee Relations
xUT
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IMHO the 'company' and 'union' are gaming you (using you as tool).
Read the bolded highlights and go from there.
B) xUT
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Exactly "If" and there will be consensual agreement. It will be after the 4,300 and new 40% outsourcing cap is in place. I guess you want a repeat of the NWA/AMFA deal where they outsourced everything and then settled on a consensual agreement with only two stations and 900 AMTs. Or maybe the UAL/IAM/AMFA deal where they voted to reject, changed unions, had the judge abrogate the contract and give UAL double what they asked for in the term sheet, and then finally sign the deal that involved new scope language that allowed all airframe overhaul to be outsourced.
"The role of the bankruptcy court as little more than an adjunct of corporate management was underscored by the decision of Judge Wedoff to impose a wage cut double the amount demanded by United. Wedoff also imposed concessions on United mechanics two years ago, after they rejected an earlier round of concessions. Afterwards, the mechanics voted to leave the International Association of Machinists and join the AMFA."
Okay, you got me voting no you crafty devil you.
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Interesting how you and the other TWU stooges of the world used to blame AMFA and/or O.V. Delle-Femine for everything that happens that is negative, regardless of happening at AA or another Ariline.
These days, on several occasions, I have noticed you quoting the man trying to peddle your own version of complete decimation of a labor agreement.
How ironic
Since in your mind it was AMFA's fault at NWA, UAL, and Alaska, when the same was happening to them, then is not the TWU's fault today?
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And after giving double in two rounds they still make more than we do. Their wage rate is higher, they have more vacation, more Holidays, get paid higher rates for the Holidays, more sick time, more IOD time, have CS language written into the contract, minimu 4 hours of OT, Doubletime, pay less for Medical, got convertible notes and equity in the company, a 401k Contribution, etc etc.
You forgot to mention that while UAL mechanics were in the middle of BK fighting the concessions we rolled over and gave AA 25% . Instead of supporting them we cut them off at the knees.
