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700UW said:
US Fleet Service,
 
Ask yourself this:
 
Do you want an AGC that insults people that have a different opinion than them?
 
Do you want an AGC is apparently has some anger issues?
 
Do you want an AGC that has a closed mind?
 
Do you want an AGC who turns his back on people?
 
Do you want an AGC who is in it for himself and not the members?
 
People really need to think.
Wrong by all accounts. Members really shouldnt consider talk but what has some candidates done when in district service to the members. Ive asked cb how he has made a difference on the eboard.
 
Nelson, how do you intend to fulfill ALL of your AGC duties (if you are even elected) if you are going to focus on “cleaning house” within’ the Union? Further, who is going to give you the authority to clean house? An AGC has limited influence in those regards.
 
My bet is you have a deal with Cronk in the International Election in April that will give you more power in an appointed position at a later time. That is... IF the election plays-out as you plan. Essentially-- you plan to ride the on the coattails of the dissidents propelled by the Boeing effort to overthrow the International...
 
Am I right?
 
Tim Nelson said:
Wrong by all accounts. Members really shouldnt consider talk but what has some candidates done when in district service to the members. Ive asked cb how he has made a difference on the eboard.
So they should take into account people who have no AGC, or Negotiating Committee experience either?
 
And calling people stupid and morons is professional?
 
Yep you will go far in Negotiations, NOT!
 
And most people dont know that the International pays half of a PDGC, AGC and GCs salary.
 
700UW said:
And most people dont know that the International pays half of a PDGC, AGC and GCs salary.
Somehow... I think power holds more value than money to him...
 
Roa,
 
He has been on a power quest for over 20 years, you know this all too well, first hand.
 
Where his buddy Pruitt these days?
 
His track record speaks for itself.
 
roabilly said:
Nelson, how do you intend to fulfill ALL of your AGC duties (if you are even elected) if you are going to focus on “cleaning house” within’ the Union? Further, who is going to give you the authority to clean house? An AGC has limited influence in those regards.
 
My bet is you have a deal with Cronk in the International Election in April that will give you more power in an appointed position at a later time. That is... IF the election plays-out as you plan. Essentially-- you plan to ride the on the coattails of the dissidents propelled by the Boeing effort to overthrow the International...
 
Am I right?
Cleaning house is always done by the members. If elected, we will have a diverse eboard and the kumbuya seance will be over. Id prefer working with mm and nh any day of the week over mf and gs.

Working with people to get a job complete has to leave politics aside and thats exactly what i did when i was director of organizing.
 
Instead of the personal rabbit trails, CB should answer the question, ie, what has he done on the eboard to make a difference. Then compare that to what i have done on the members dime.
and cb, do u think the members are getting their dues worth under this district leadership?
 
One broken tired old record from the same dusty cabinet. All talk talk talk offering no solid game plan or strategy. Bash the guy who has the chair as much as you can and hope the angry masses will blame him and give you that chair. I've seen too many of these clowns come and go in my career that it sickens me to death. What a big smelly load some people continue to try and sell. Total artificial calories that give nothing but a temporary sugar high.

I really hope your members are smarter than this or I'm going to be one scared cat for this association moving forward.
 
WeAAsles said:
One broken tired old record from the same dusty cabinet. All talk talk talk offering no solid game plan or strategy. Bash the guy who has the chair as much as you can and hope the angry masses will blame him and give you that chair. I've seen too many of these clowns come and go in my career that it sickens me to death. What a big smelly load some people continue to try and sell. Total artificial calories that give nothing but a temporary sugar high.

I really hope your members are smarter than this or I'm going to be one scared cat for this association moving forward.
Believe me we are!
 
  Noms are one thing.....to get elected is another.  The vote will speak louder than the talk. The vote listens and the talk can't hear.......
 
mike33 said:
Believe me we are!
 
  Noms are one thing.....to get elected is another.  The vote will speak the talk. The vote listens and the talk can't hear.......
As long as members are informed primarily by what has been accomplished by each candidate while already serving the membership in the district capacity.

The nominations were very telling as the vast majority of members wanted the opposition to unify for change and then came through by endorsing change in the top 8 biggest super locals. lots of hard work yet but i think our members realize our union is at the crossroads and its very hard to see where union starts and management ends for most. So im fairly excited that we can finally start building our union up from ground zero.
 
Tim Nelson said:
As long as members are informed primarily by what has been accomplished by each candidate while already serving the membership in the district capacity.The nominations were very telling as the vast majority of members wanted the opposition to unify for change and then came through by endorsing change in the top 8 biggest super locals. lots of hard work yet but i think our members realize our union is at the crossroads and its very hard to see where union starts and management ends for most. So im fairly excited that we can finally start building our union up from ground zero.
What a load of smell.
 
Tim Nelson said:
As long as members are informed primarily by what has been accomplished by each candidate while already serving the membership in the district capacity.

The nominations were very telling as the vast majority of members wanted the opposition to unify for change and then came through by endorsing change in the top 8 biggest super locals. lots of hard work yet but i think our members realize our union is at the crossroads and its very hard to see where union starts and management ends for most. So im fairly excited that we can finally start building our union up from ground zero.
Whats your campaign slogan?
 
"Dont vote for morons, stupid people or koolade drinkers"
 
And lets see last time you ran for PDGC you touted and boasted how you got the nominations at all the US hubs and yet you finished DEAD last in the election.
 
As Mike said, nominations dont mean a thing.
 
Tim on the TWU:
Tim Nelson
Mar 14 2005, 11:58 AM

Post on the former AGW site


http://64.233.187.10...W..."twu"&hl=en

Dear American Airline FSC;
I am often asked what is the difference between Labor Representatives, i.e., the AGW and the TWU. Or to put it another way, why should someone consider switching from the TWU to the AGW.
First off, the primary reason to have a Union is to negotiate and secure a Collective Bargaining Agreement [CBA]. As I have talked to several American Airline FSC’s I have realized the cruddy, undemocratic, yet calculated job the TWU has done in representing you. In fact, I would categorize it as the TWU representing the company to you instead of you to the company. At any rate, I am not going to insult you and tell you what you already know about the TWU.
What I can tell you is what the AGW Constitution allows under the exact same circumstances. In any AGW negotiations, YOU negotiate your contract because your Negotiations team, including its chairman is from your airline and department [far different from the TWU]. Further, the Negotiations team can’t even enter into negotiations unless and until the majority of workers prioritize contract proposals. For instance, if American wants further concessions from you and you had the AGW, then any elected AGW Negotiations team can’t even enter concessionary negotiations unless the majority of workers approve and prioritize contract proposals. Remember, your Labor Representative represents you, is your advocate, and shouldn’t be in concessionary talks with your company if the members didn’t authorize them! Does this mean anything to you?
At any rate, negotiations are the ‘sacred’ for the workers so all AGW negotiations are fully disclosed to the members it represents. Each company proposal and AGW counter proposal from your Negotiations team must be on display on the AGW website for full disclosure! Further, the AGW, by Constitution, can’t sign confidentiality papers with a company because it does not allow secret, ‘cant tell ya’ negotiations. Confidentiality agreements always protect the company and always keep information from the rank and file. Further, no AGW officer has the power or authority to sign a letter of agreement without being authorized by the majority of workers.
As a side, the highest salary for an AGW officer is $61,000; Officer elections have minimal restrictions to promote greater participation; The AGW will service you with the same resources you give the TWU…your dues; And the AGW has retained a Nationally recognized law firm to represent you in arbitration cases and for other professional matters.
It’s all in the AGW constitution and I encourage you to read it. In closing, you can’t afford to keep the TWU along with its undemocratic systems. The quicker you sign your AGW card then the quicker we can replace the TWU!
Onward!
Tim Nelson, Interim Director, Allied Ground Workers


Tim states that:
“In any AGW negotiations, YOU negotiate your contract because your Negotiations team, including its chairman is from your airline and department [far different from the TWU].â€

Fact: The AGW NEVER negotiated…anything!!!!





Now the President of TWU Local 512 – President Report
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Dear Brothers and Sisters,
At the risk of breathing new life into what should be a dead issue, I would like to use this month’s President’s Message to express my thoughts on the group that calls itself the Allied Ground Workers. I am aware that some of our Local 512 members have been distributing literature about this organization and have solicited others to sign cards authorizing the AGW as the collective bargaining agent for fleet service. Some of you who are reading this may have signed one of these authorization cards. Members who were approached by these AGW supporters told me that they thought they were signing a petition the purpose of which was to show their displeasure with the TWU. In case it was not fully explained to you at the time, let me assure you there is more at play here than just sending a message to your TWU leadership.
This is what could happen.
As stated above, these cards indicate that the signatory authorizes the Allied Ground Workers to be the sole collective bargaining agent for fleet service employees at American Airlines. In the event that AGW were to obtain signatures from a majority of the bargaining unit system wide, they could petition the National Mediation Board for a representational election. There are three possible outcomes of such an election. If the TWU gets the majority of votes cast, the TWU would win. If the AGW gets the majority, it would win. Both of these outcomes are predicated on at least 50% plus one members of the bargaining unit casting votes for one or the other representative. The third possible outcome would occur if less than half the bargaining unit were to cast votes. If that were to happen we would have no union.
OK. That last scenario is too sickening to even contemplate so we’ll leave it be for now.
Let’s talk about the Allied Ground Workers. Who are they? Whom do they represent? What are their credentials and experience? If you visit the AGW website, you will find that their "Interim Director" is Tim Nelson and their "Interim President" is Mike Pruitt. Who are they and who elected them to their positions within the organization? The website does contain a brief "bio" on Nelson (nothing on Pruitt) that raises more questions than it answers. It appears Tim Nelson is very good at making sweeping general statements but is very stingy with supporting facts. With this in mind, one of our Local 512 representatives wrote Mr. Nelson an email respectfully asking him to clarify some of the things he states in his biography. While I give him credit for a prompt response, Nelson failed to answer any of the direct questions posed by our rep. He was, however, quick to take offense when the irony of his characterization of another Union’s system of governance as a "one man band" was pointed out to him. I am starting to suspect that Mr. Nelson is what our brothers and sisters at Local 513 might call "All hat and no cattle".
So what do we know about Tim Nelson, Mike Pruitt and the AGW? Nelson apparently works for US Airways (which just emerged from bankruptcy) though he states this nowhere in his biography and does not answer this question in the email although he was asked this directly. Nor does he answer the question of what work he does for the airline. He does not respond to a question if he was elected to his position or if he is self-appointed. He does not answer the questions of how and when the AGW was founded or whom the AGW represents. (Note: I do not believe the AGW is the bargaining agent for anyone and has never negotiated a contract.) He seems prone to making self-aggrandizing, vaguely messianic statements such as "…having Justice as a core basis of my faith and doing my best to serve it by God’s grace alone…" and "…the courtroom is empty and I am free to serve Justice."
And what do we know about "President" Mike Pruitt. Zip.
The targets of the AGW’s organizing drives are the ramp service employees from US Airways, United Airlines and American Airlines. All of these employees have suffered through painful restructuring either in bankruptcy, in the cases of US Airways and United, or under the threat of bankruptcy in the case of American. All of these employees are currently represented by either the IAM or the TWU. Apparently, the AGW is not interested in organizing employees who have no Union representation. The TWU is currently engaged in an organizing effort at Continental Airlines and spent years working to organize Delta’s ramp employees. The TWU has led successful drives to organize Southwest’s flight attendants and clerks and America West’s clerks. All of these employees lacked Union representation when the TWU began their drives. The AGW, by contrast, are nothing but a bunch of Union-busting predators. Don’t think so? Then why is one of the AGW’s biggest proponents in ORD supplying a link to the National Right to Work Foundation, an organization whose sole purpose it is to undermine organized labor, on the AGW forum website?
If there were to be a representation election and the Allied Ground Workers win, then what would happen? First of all, the contract would remain in force. A new Local would be formed and new officers elected. The AGW Constitution allows for members from more than one employer to makeup a Local so you could be in the same Local as US Airways and United employees. We could end up being led by officers who work at a different airline. An "employer specific" Local could be formed at the discretion of the National Executive Board. (I thought the AGW was supposed to have a "bottom-up" system of governance.) The TWU Local 512 treasury would revert to the TWU International and the new AGW Local would start out with zero dollars. (Under the AGW Constitution, 40% of dues money goes to the International and 60% stays with the Local. The split of initiation fees is 50-50. In the TWU, 70% of dues and 100% of initiation fees remains in the Local.) The new Local and International AGW would be subject to the same federal laws that govern the TWU and all Labor Unions in the airline industry, chiefly the Railway Labor Act (RLA) and the Labor Management Reporting and Disclosure Act (LMRDA).
As an officer of Local 512 I am bound by an oath to "…bear true and faithful allegiance to the International and Local Union…" and my Union is the TWU. I take that oath seriously and I do my best to live up to it. The TWU has been the …"exclusive and sole collective bargaining agency…" for fleet service at American since 1946 [TWU/AA Agreement, Article 1(a)]. No organization is perfect, just as no leader is perfect. Just as I am not blind to the internal problems of this organization, I am aware of the external forces that have plagued the industry, particularly the "legacy" carriers such as American, and have created downward pressures on industry wages and benefits. Those pressures are not only economic but political as well. The TWU has weathered many a storm in its half-century of representing employees in the industry. We have been through strikes, airline deregulation, Crandall, the demise of Eastern and Pan Am, 9/11 …but we have survived and we have prospered.
There is no question that this past year has been a horrible one for our members. There is no denying it. The TWU membership made the tough decisions necessary to keep the Company solvent and it appears that American is no longer at risk of filing for bankruptcy. Compare our situation with United, still in bankruptcy, and US Airways, just emerged from bankruptcy. Both of those airlines are asking their employees for further concessions with the threat of seeking relief from a bankruptcy judge if they fail to agree. Both United and US Airways have cut back considerably more of their operations and their workforces than American. American is poised to make a profit this year and the sooner it does so the sooner we will start to recover what we lost in the restructuring agreements. Money-losing companies do not agree to wage and benefit increases in negotiations.
Fraternally,

Glenn Harmon
President
TWU Local 512
 
 
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