2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

CAPS KEY SI STUCK AGAIN
 
AND WHAT IF THE PRE-STRIKE VOTE FAILS OR IS PROVEN TO BE WEAK ?  50/50

It's a gamble sure. But sometimes if you hope to win you have to roll those dice. I personally think that the table is giving great odds once you crunch the numbers.

 

[Tim Nelson]

CAPS KEY SI STUCK AGAIN
 
AND WHAT IF THE PRE-STRIKE VOTE FAILS OR IS PROVEN TO BE WEAK ?  50/50

I think AH already has that built in.  To be sure, that is the fear of the current leaders but the question must be put to the test and things must be allowed to fall where they may since management already has a piss clam strike vote built into its proposals. AH is calling bluff.   I think he is wrong about fleet service, and plenty wrong.
 
I think that you incite the strike vote with AH's ridiculous proposal and you actively campaign to get what is needed for the interest of the members. To do that, the NC must reach out beyond it's inner circle. To be sure, I'll definitely campaign against a ridiculous proposal and strongly for a big strike vote. We were very successful in a big and strong strike vote at United involving members who were still non contract and non dues payers. The same strategies can be employed at US AIRWAYS regarding a strike vote.
 
In this situation, the membership can't afford to vote against strike. It would be game over and forever forget about even a 1% pay raise.  But for sure, AH is calling bluff.  He needs to hear from his employees instead of Joe Tiberi.  All parties should give fleet service more credit. 
 
AH is reading this forum, I have a hunch what his handle is.  I wouldn't be surprised if his proposal gets tweaked and brought back to the IAM.  If not, then he risk it being aired in the streets. I would have snatched that last proposal quick as heck and dragged it in the streets before he had a chance to enhance it.  If he doesn't enhance that, should the IAM change gears and exploit it,  then, in a twisted way, it may be better if AH gives us a second chance to 'behead' his proposal.
 
At some point, the IAM has to learn how to manufacture the consent and use the proper techniques to exploit management.  But I can assure you, due to the internet and information highway, Joe Tiberi's voice isn't really being heard by anyone at this point.  IMO, it looks like management has left itself open for exploitation and we can dress them up as clowns by fanning that ridiculous 1% proposal.
 
Also, preparing for the stock holders meeting ought to have the IAM putting out that proposal to the stock holders, in the meeting, with a spokesperson standing up and sounding off about it in the 2 minute guaranteed open mic for any stockholder on record.

 

[Black Magic]

I don't have time to go through countless pages of posts, but what is the status of the nmb decision to release us? How many months will that answer take? Lol.

People bag on Tim Nelson non stop but I have heard more from his posts/insight than anything from Delaney or the New direction team. Tim has got some spine and fire which I sure don't see coming from them.

 

[freedom]

WOW YOU PEOPLE GO FROM DOWN RIGHT WHIMPERING ( THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS WILL SAVE US !) TO HEAD IN THE CLOUDS OPTIMISM IN A FLASH 
 
I THINK MANY OF YOU ARE OVERSTIMATING THE MEMBERSHIP AND ITS COMMITMENT ..AS UNSKILLED WORKERS MANY PEOPLE ARE FEARFULL OF LOSING THEIR JOBS...THERE ISNT AS MUCH SUPPORT AS YOU THINK THERE IS, AT LEAST THATS MY TAKE ON IT .

 

[robbedagain]

I think more and more folks are supporting us more so than you think or know  

 

[Tim Nelson]

I think more and more folks are supporting us more so than you think or know

U r absolutely right. Exploiting key things and putting the membership in a position off the sidelines is imo essential. Right now AH and maybe our union leaders are underestimating our group. AH is looking at the sidelines thinking our members will drop the ball if counte upon.

Gotta give the members "the pill" nobody else is getting first downs and thus far every possession ends in a punt with very predictable play calling.

If the members fumble then they fumble but they cant afford to fumble. Something gotta give though as insanity will be scheduled again in two months.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

WOW YOU PEOPLE GO FROM DOWN RIGHT WHIMPERING ( THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS WILL SAVE US !) TO HEAD IN THE CLOUDS OPTIMISM IN A FLASH 
 
I THINK MANY OF YOU ARE OVERSTIMATING THE MEMBERSHIP AND ITS COMMITMENT ..AS UNSKILLED WORKERS MANY PEOPLE ARE FEARFULL OF LOSING THEIR JOBS...THERE ISNT AS MUCH SUPPORT AS YOU THINK THERE IS, AT LEAST THATS MY TAKE ON IT .

Don't project your weakness onto your coworkers. You are a weak-kneed little coward who has the nerve to call himself a man. You are the weakest link in our union. You should be ashamed of yourself and your coworkers on the ramp should turn their backs on you.

 

[WeAAsles]

WOW YOU PEOPLE GO FROM DOWN RIGHT WHIMPERING ( THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS WILL SAVE US !) TO HEAD IN THE CLOUDS OPTIMISM IN A FLASH 
 
I THINK MANY OF YOU ARE OVERSTIMATING THE MEMBERSHIP AND ITS COMMITMENT ..AS UNSKILLED WORKERS MANY PEOPLE ARE FEARFULL OF LOSING THEIR JOBS...THERE ISNT AS MUCH SUPPORT AS YOU THINK THERE IS, AT LEAST THATS MY TAKE ON IT .

Sounds suspiciously like a certain individual doesn't want a particular course of action to occur? Hmm.

 

[robbedagain]

rmbr weaasles   he's the same clown who voted for a contract just simply for money while and knowingly tossing his fellow coworkers out the door   people who had families  who were working to make ends meet    its pretty sad to be him

 

[mike33]

WOW YOU PEOPLE GO FROM DOWN RIGHT WHIMPERING ( THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS WILL SAVE US !) TO HEAD IN THE CLOUDS OPTIMISM IN A FLASH 
 
I THINK MANY OF YOU ARE OVERSTIMATING THE MEMBERSHIP AND ITS COMMITMENT ..AS UNSKILLED WORKERS MANY PEOPLE ARE FEARFULL OF LOSING THEIR JOBS...THERE ISNT AS MUCH SUPPORT AS YOU THINK THERE IS, AT LEAST THATS MY TAKE ON IT .

Your take to me is just that TAKE !

 

[roabilly]

Many of us don't personally care for Tim because of the actions and things he's done in the past and will probably continue to do. Also by the way he interjects his personal agenda into most of his posts. But when he lays all of that down and makes sense he deserves props for that. He has been making sense his last few posts lately. At least from my perspective.

Ohh yeah ... he'll be fine for AWHILE... than it will be politics as usual... I still see subtle hints trickling through even now...

 

[roabilly]

 
  Could we not create that same scenario with a pre-release strike vote? Create a question in the minds of the public? I believe we could and create a little disruption. Then if released you would have advance media coverage because the public would just be waiting for the release. They would already know our stance.

"33"... I don't think the preemptive vote would necessarily generate the same media coverage as an actual release, and strike vote, as it would be "symbolic", and not involve Government Agencies to the full extent. Further, it may be perceived as "saber rattling", and if there were not strong turn-out numbers, it could actually hurt Fleet! The reason I'm concerned is past turn-out history for similar instances....
 
Maybe 700 can give us numbers from the M&R strike votes... Did you guys have a high percentage of participation? What was the preemptive numbers at UA?

 

[WeAAsles]

Ohh yeah ... he'll be fine for AWHILE... than it will be politics as usual... I still see subtle hints trickling through even now...

And when he engages in those tactics again is where he gets stepped on. Right now he's being productive and personally when he addresses the issues this way I think he'll have more support in the future.

His call of course.

 

[WeAAsles]

"33"... I don't think the preemptive vote would necessarily generate the same media coverage as an actual release, and strike vote, as it would be "symbolic", and not involve Government Agencies to the full extent. Further, it may be perceived as "saber rattling", and if there were not strong turn-out numbers, it could actually hurt Fleet! The reason I'm concerned is past turn-out history for similar instances....
 
Maybe 700 can give us numbers from the M&R strike votes... Did you guys have a high percentage of participation? What was the preemptive numbers at UA?

You're right Roa that it's a huge risk to put it in the members hands. But in the end no matter who they voted for its their lives and should be there decision. I think you have phenomenal leaders from what I've seen on this page. I'm 100% positive that they can motivate their members to send a clear and powerful message to those that are underestimating your resolve and fortitude. In my humble opinion.

 

[roabilly]

You're right Roa that it's a huge risk to put it in the members hands. But in the end no matter who they voted for its their lives and should be there decision. I think you have phenomenal leaders from what I've seen on this page. I'm 100% positive that they can motivate their members to send a clear and powerful message to those that are underestimating your resolve and fortitude. In my humble opinion.

I agree... I've been fooled in the past... especially by CLT!!