2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

"33"... I don't think the preemptive vote would necessarily generate the same media coverage as an actual release, and strike vote, as it would be "symbolic", and not involve Government Agencies. Further, it may be perceived as "saber rattling", and if there were not strong turn-out numbers, it could actually hurt Fleet! The reason I'm concerned is past turn-out history for similar instances....
 
Maybe 700 can give us numbers from the M&R strike votes... Did you guys have a high percentage of participation? What was the preemptive numbers at UA?

its not all about the media. Internally it is needed as well. A poor strike vote is already built into AH offer as he is calling our bluff as he knows our leadership doesnt trust a strike vote outcome. At any rate, you do know that before any possible peb, a strike vote would have to be taken, and a strike vote then will have more pressure on it.

I helped get a solid strike vote at ua for ta1 and i think you should give fleet service more credit. In fact i really dont think we have any other choice unless we keep wanting to do the two months of ice dance.

As far as your cheap shot saying im playing politics, ill let the audience answer that. But my stance to find a first bite solution isnt the one promising treasure island where everyone gets more holidays, vacations, full sick time, more retirement and a couple more buck an hour. Easy to say for votes but it has polarized negotiations so the the only labor unrest on the property is the IAM.

 

[700UW]

In all the the strike votes that I was part of at US with M&R each one was around 97% in favor of a strike.

 

[robbedagain]

this is just my own thoughts...   if say a strike vote were to be held today..  I believe it would be up in the 90s% percent range   with clt and phl carrying bulk weight    just my own opin

 

[Tim Nelson]

There isnt really alot of respect for fleet service but i think fleet service has been ready.

This assumes the iam 141 insists on exhaustive comprehensive talks with a presumed nmb release.

My main interest, myself, is to see the nc put pressure on delaney to come to the realization that nothing is wrong with also considering section 6 first bite talks which has a much better near term chance at bringing these talks to a close. Nobody at united stood up to delaneys insistence on exhaustive talks that, in the end, resulted in walking away from significant wags and job security. Management signed 8 contracts already but delaneys strategy has once again polarized talks.

The risk to fleet service being iced is "We have pushed the nmb for a release however the nmb informed us that that isnt an option, thus although we are disappointed, management and the iam signed on to a joint contract accelerated talks to hopefully bring negotiations to a close and get you your sacrifices back in a more timely way."

Basically i can see delaney blaming the nmb like he did at united even though contracts only seem to be a problem for the iam.

 

[NYer]

It hasnt happened in the airlines, but happens in the railroads all the time.
 
But their is always a first.

 
This isn't it.

 

[NYer]

Therein lies the question, after a release. Our hope has to be that the political wheels are spinning in DC to get us that release.  AH doesn't control that so there is an element of risk he is tampering with as well.

 
The political wheels in DC would rather keep you in mediation than create a political issue for the GOP to use as a weapon in the upcoming mid-term elections.
 
Something will force the issue and it won't be an intervention from Washington....

 

[NYer]

I don't see how bringing a company proposal back for a vote and strike vote, to authorize and confirm that there is an impasse is a bad thing between the next two months of ice.  In fact, I don't see how it changes the NC position that there is an impasse.  Bringing the nasty proposal back just confirms what the NC has said.  At any rate, food for thought.

 
In the NMB's mind, bringing back a proposal for a vote is a direct indication that there ISN'T an impasse. If it is voted down, it just gives the NMB more time to keep the clock ticking and waiting for the sides to get a deal....any deal.

 

[NYer]

Unless the NMB is set to release the parties...a strike vote now means absolutely nothing. When we took a strike vote we almost immediately went on ice.
 
The NMB is not going to take those action lightly and they will bring down the rhetoric with their ability to say when, where and how the parties will meet again.
 
Somehow, it seems this will have an added pressure of the Single Carrier Status becoming a significant item to move things along. We'll see.

 

[roabilly]

In all the the strike votes that I was part of at US with M&R each one was around 97% in favor of a strike.

Hmmmm... I think anything above 90% would work just fine...
Hopefully, we could get TWO such votes... one for the 141 and one for the 142?!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Unless the NMB is set to release the parties...a strike vote now means absolutely nothing. When we took a strike vote we almost immediately went on ice.
 
The NMB is not going to take those action lightly and they will bring down the rhetoric with their ability to say when, where and how the parties will meet again.
 
Somehow, it seems this will have an added pressure of the Single Carrier Status becoming a significant item to move things along. We'll see.

well, if they are going to keep the exhaustive contract approach do you have any better ideas? As far as a strike vote, i disagree with u 100% it will have internal value.

Without a first bite approach i cant see management taking things seriously. At this point im assuming the iam may have been told a release is coming soon, otherwise this is killing any chance at getting something before joint talks start up.

 

[roabilly]

its not all about the media. Internally it is needed as well. A poor strike vote is already built into AH offer as he is calling our bluff as he knows our leadership doesnt trust a strike vote outcome. At any rate, you do know that before any possible peb, a strike vote would have to be taken, and a strike vote then will have more pressure on it.

I helped get a solid strike vote at ua for ta1 and i think you should give fleet service more credit. In fact i really dont think we have any other choice unless we keep wanting to do the two months of ice dance.

As far as your cheap shot saying im playing politics, ill let the audience answer that. But my stance to find a first bite solution isnt the one promising treasure island where everyone gets more holidays, vacations, full sick time, more retirement and a couple more buck an hour. Easy to say for votes but it has polarized negotiations so the the only labor unrest on the property is the IAM.

Nelson,
 
Can you please clarify all this "first bite" and "on ice" rhetoric...
 
Are you inferring that it was your political pressure on the 141 that lead to these lengthy 6 talks, as opposed to a quick settlement with hopes of a better agreement in the Transition Talks? I'm sure CB, P Rez, and the rest, will set the record straight on this assertion if that is your intent...

 

[mike33]

Nelson,
 
Can you please clarify all this "first bite" and "on ice" rhetoric...
 
Are you inferring that it was your political pressure on the 141 that lead to these lengthy 6 talks, as opposed to a quick settlement with hopes of a better agreement in the Transition Talks? I'm sure CB, P Rez, and the rest, will set the record straight on this assertion if that is your intent...

 Boy no ****!...Tim, Make it simple will you?  Geezzzz

 

[NYer]

well, if they are going to keep the exhaustive contract approach do you have any better ideas? As far as a strike vote, i disagree with u 100% it will have internal value.

Without a first bite approach i cant see management taking things seriously. At this point im assuming the iam may have been told a release is coming soon, otherwise this is killing any chance at getting something before joint talks start up.

 
There will be no release....and your last thought may be the way the NMB gets you out of their hair. No release, no PEB, no political issues to deal with.
 
I'll be surprised if a TA isn't released after your elections or right after a submission for the Single Carrier Status.

 

[freedom]

Hmmmm... I think anything above 90% would work just fine...
Hopefully, we could get TWO such votes... one for the 141 and one for the 142?!

 
 
the last time i saw a vote with an above 90%  raiting it was for saddam hussine

 

[mike33]

 
 
the last time i saw a vote with an above 90%  raiting it was for saddam hussine

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