2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[mike33]

pj, both have been involved in helping members, they just didnt need titles.
Integrity trumps voting for 4 team delaney usairways members who were part of that 2008 negotiations team.

Pj, why do you claim these 4 guys will not fold as they did in 2008, and at hal and at united.

You keep saying they earned your support but 4 of the 5 usairways candidates on team delaney were partly responsible for the 2008 contract that you yourself admitted was a sellout. You blame freedom and your station for voting for that 2008 pos and listening to the candidates that YOU support now.

Sorry PJ but asking me or anyone else to support the 2008 negotiations committee as the Team Delaney candidates really shouldnt be an option.
i will make sure in the coming weeks that our members are fully aware that Team Delaney is wanting them to endorse and support the same usairways members that brought back the sh#tty 2008 contract, the sh#tty hal and ual contracts, and have completely F up these negotiations through strategies that make little sense.
As an aside, I hear Gill is telling folks in phl to support someone who ratted out the 22. Everyone will be kept informed.

  There you go again. Presumption is your calling card. Negotiations aren't over yet and you Presume the worst.  Lets wait and see before we accuse. If you can't do that then you are not a leader.  Also, save the HAL/UAL thing for their forum. This is USairways and you are a USairways employee. 

 

[mike33]

ill ask you again PJ, please mention just one thing that your boys have positively done in 6 years?
Ive asked you straight up, nothing political about it.
i also reminded you that the majority of these usair guys you support already F you in the 2008 agreement unless you think the bylaws that required their recommendation was a myth.

And, sir, you may not be feeling the Fing of how your team F over united but your boys didnt blink an eye endorsing that pos agreement.

If you wont engage the question then stop engaging me and mentioning me. And you have no right to complaign about your station and freedom for voting for the pos 2008 agreement if you support those who recommended freedom to vote for that contract.

I'm calling BS. It's everything political....Lest you forget it was your boys also. 

 

[P. REZ]

I was not in negotiations in 08 but want to make it clear that I think that our negotiating team did the best under the circumstances. We had AW employees on food stamps, class 2 employees on food stamps and we were not in section 6 negotiations either. Also, right after we ratified the economy took a dump of massive proportions. I wanted to be clear by stating I wasn't on the 08 team, but that I am not casting stones at anybody either. It is not fun being a part of a negotiating team, but a lesson in patience.
 
P. Rez   

 

[ograc]

It must be officer election time. The two year cycle when opposition candidates attempt to discredit or diminish the incumbent officers. Current states of affairs are the fault of the incumbents. The premise of voting for the opposition candidates will bring about a positive change in the livelihoods of all IAM District 141 members. A "New Direction" so to speak. The membership, based on this premise, voted out the incumbent Canale Team and voted in the "New Direction" Team years ago. New team; same anti-union worker environment exists today. A new team; yet the same companies with the same agenda. If the membership should learn anything from our Fleet Service history it should be to know who the true enemy is. Doesn't matter who is in office the company is still going to follow their agenda in negotiations. A disengaged, uninformed and self centered membership allows this erosion of the well being of the craft and class. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Get the facts before you spew hate bro. No comment about me not being in 08 negotiations either huh?
 
Care to speak about COC? 
 
carry on.
 
P. Rez

The facts are not mine sir.  A document will be presented and folks can make their own mind up sir.  You will have some explaining to do.
 
COC? Not sure what you could be talking about.  Please share?

 

[mike33]

The facts are not mine sir.  A document will be presented and folks can make their own mind up sir.  You will have some explaining to do.
 
COC? Not sure what you could be talking about.  Please share?

Copy the document here.........Please. That should end the discussion. And it should come from you and your post so as not to say its falsified . Sound good?

 

[Tim Nelson]

  There you go again. Presumption is your calling card. Negotiations aren't over yet and you Presume the worst.  Lets wait and see before we accuse. If you can't do that then you are not a leader.  Also, save the HAL/UAL thing for their forum. This is USairways and you are a USairways employee. 

Presumption?  I really wish that was true.  We are being asked to elect candidates who find themselves on Team Delaney's ticket who recommended and negotiated the 2008 contract.  That isn't presumptuous.  Candidates who negotiated the UAL contract, and other candidates who endorsed it because, as they said, "I hope they would do the same for me".   A team who also blew up a Hawaiian contract.    A team who caused AH to ask for the same treatment that Team Delaney gave United, i.e., go into joint talks with a goose-egg.   You blame AH for asking for the exact same thing that Team Delaney gave United?   You would blame Team Delaney if you understood that what happened at United wasn't in a vacuum and that walking into joint talks at United with $0 is exactly what Delaney did and what AH expects at US AIRWAYS.   In fact, Team Delaney even negotiated 1 full year in section 6 after single carrier was reached.  Nothing presumptuous to say they already F up things here by their actions at United.
 
At any rate, I hope they don't have the chance to continue their softness here because no way in hell will I ever recommend a stand alone agreement that doesn't pay AMR wages and grandfather all current stations.  And I will also tell you that that will take some time because those things won't come easy. 
 
As far a  leader.  I leader is someone who stands up for his craft and warns his craft and stands against a terrible agreement, even if he himself isn't going to be under that agreement.  When you compare my stance and my involvement with the United brothers and sisters, to the back stabbing endorsements for the blood contract by Team Delaney US AIRWAYS members,  I think there is a huge distinction.   I can tell you for sure, that nobody is a labor guy or even understands labor if he/she supported or endorsed that POS United contract.   And you shouldn't keep wanting to separate the United contract from this discussion.  AH isn't separating it. 

 

[mike33]

Presumption?  I really wish that was true.  We are being asked to elect candidates who find themselves on Team Delaney's ticket who recommended and negotiated the 2008 contract.  That isn't presumptuous.  Candidates who negotiated the UAL contract, and other candidates who endorsed it because, as they said, "I hope they would do the same for me".   A team who also blew up a Hawaiian contract.    A team who caused AH to ask for the same treatment that Team Delaney gave United, i.e., go into joint talks with a goose-egg.   You blame AH for asking for the exact same thing that Team Delaney gave United?   You would blame Team Delaney if you understood that what happened at United wasn't in a vacuum and that walking into joint talks at United with $0 is exactly what Delaney did and what AH expects at US AIRWAYS.   In fact, Team Delaney even negotiated 1 full year in section 6 after single carrier was reached.  Nothing presumptuous to say they already F up things here by their actions at United.
 
At any rate, I hope they don't have the chance to continue their softness here because no way in hell will I ever recommend a stand alone agreement that doesn't pay AMR wages and grandfather all current stations.  And I will also tell you that that will take some time because those things won't come easy. 
 
As far a  leader.  I leader is someone who stands up for his craft and warns his craft and stands against a terrible agreement, even if he himself isn't going to be under that agreement.  When you compare my stance and my involvement with the United brothers and sisters, to the back stabbing endorsements for the blood contract by Team Delaney US AIRWAYS members,  I think there is a huge distinction.   I can tell you for sure, that nobody is a labor guy or even understands labor if he/she supported or endorsed that POS United contract.   And you shouldn't keep wanting to separate the United contract from this discussion.  AH isn't separating it. 

  I for one didn't support the UA agreement. As a matter of fact , it took me about a 1/2 hr to shoot to down in front of my peers in my station....
 
 Post the Document !!

 

[Tim Nelson]

  I for one didn't support the UA agreement. As a matter of fact , it took me about a 1/2 hr to shoot to down in front of my peers in my station....
 
 Post the Document !!

It isn't for me to post. It's not mine.

 

[mike33]

It isn't for me to post. It's not mine.

Maybe some docs background then......??? Since you've seen it

 

[Tim Nelson]

from: www.unifiedforchange.org
Facebook site, just click the FB icon on the bottom of the link above.
 
Hello All,

My Name is Bill Kline and I work for USairways FSA LL 1725 . I would like to commend Kathy in TUS for her honesty, I to was caught up with the "New Direction" in 2008 I fully supported Rich Delaney and his team. His Campaign Pro...mise to the US airways members was he would and I quote "Arbitrate this terrible Attendance Policy that your company imposed on you" well that was a good stump speech but that was all it was. Because shortly after being elected he withdrew OUR Greivance from the Company.

I am guessing that since he would be signing the same type of aggreement with UA management just a few months later would cause a little bit of a conflict of interest. Lets move on to other campaign promises.. " We are going to aggressively go out and Orgainize to grow our membership" well that was partly true but only after Tim Nelson and others pushed him to do it. we yes we ( I was an orgainizer for DL141 for 2 yrs ) went out and won the Airtran campaign with the help of Gene Beaty and a few others , only to have Rich Delaney turn around and sign a BS agreement with WN to not have a "No Strike Clause" in any future agreement, So after getting 3600 NEW Members Rich pissed them all off by do that and handing them over to DL142. Thanks Rich 2 yrs of hard work down the drain.

The platform they used to Run against the Former Officers is the same thing they have become.. any of this sound familiar.. "wheres your AGC , they never come around and take " sound familiar or how about this. "Canale never comes and speaks to the membership" Hmmmm hey Rich been to a Local Meeting in CLT lately. NOT. Or how about this one.. "There is no reason for such a backlog on so many grievances" Gee that sounds really familiar . and one of the all time Campaign Stump speeches.. Canale spends way to much of the memberships money boozing it up at Conventions. I guess have last years Convention in Hawawii was pretty cheap huh Rich.. When you have an E-board that sits around at E board meetings with a Investment advisor teaching them how to invest there new found wealth off the memberships dime is simply criminal.

The New Direction or whatever the hell they call themselves had their opportunity to make this a better union time to move on 6 yrs was more than enough time to move forward instead Rich and Company have set airline employees backwards with his signing of that Dopey UA contract.

Losing Jobs when a company is making record profits is completely unacceptable. For that I go back to my original thought. "Do your job and elections will take care of themselves " well You nor your henchmen have done your jobs so its time to move on .

For I first apologize to my fellow union brothers and sister for helping to lead us to where we are with these clowns and with that I would like to Endorse
Tim Nelson, Tracy Baldwin Russo, Gene Beaty, Bruce Davis and the rest of the Unified for Change team.

Good Luck to all
Sincerely,

Bill Kline LL 1725 CLT

 

[mike33]

A campaign speech ...........Not a reply to my post. Maybe they will be writing about you like that in 4+ yrs eh?

 

[700UW]

Tim,
 
You are a hypocrite, you pushed for Delaney and when you got fired you turned on him.
 
You pushed for the whole ND team and got the Organizing job as your spoils.
 
You have done more damage to fleet than anyone except the company.
 
92 was your fault.
 
And how is Tracy running since her job in CLT is being eliminated?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Maybe some docs background then......??? Since you've seen it

Yes, I saw a document.  It's legit alright.  Look, I just happen to think that PHL entire will be super pissed to vote for Prez in this union election, after it sees his 'official' specific comments and generalizations of  PHL, back in 06.

 

[mike33]

It isn't for me to post. It's not mine.

You can post a Facebook Doc that was written by someone else but not the Doc i was looking for?.........shouldn't Bill have posted that here?