2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[ograc]

Roabilly,
Again, i can understand clt voting for home grown tracy and Mark but with the remaining spots, why would anyone vote for usairways candidates who were on the 2008 negotiations team and recycled themself back on the revamped delaney ticket? Those usairways candidates voted to recommend that pos 2008 agreement. And why would clt vote for all of the united members on basketts ticket when those same united members were laughed out of their very own locals when they shoved that pos united contract at them?

So should the members in CLT interpret this to mean you understand voting for Mark, who by the way, is not running for AGC like yourself, yet they should vote for you and the others on your ticket who are running for AGC against the Delaney Team candidates. If so; you just threw your candidate for VP at Large under the bus. The members can vote for Mark because he is running for VP at Large. By saying this; you are implying an understanding of why the membership may vote across slates.There is a lot of dissention on the UA side. The incumbents may pay the price. On the US side... the jury is still out. It will be up to the opposition slate, on the US side, to convince the membership the US incumbents must be voted out as well. Your efforts so far, of this agenda, have been duly noted. The fact is; many disengaged members will vote based on the opinion, and the respect they have, of their local committee leadership. Just as the POS contract at UA was ratified 70% to 30% by the membership; so too will the election results be determined. Did the Grand Lodge election produce any change? Thousands of members at Boeing and UA who were sold out, yet limited and insufficient numbers, could be bothered to vote for change. You're dealing with a membership who does not share your committment or passion. To the engaged members who supported your endorsement, not many years ago, of the Delaney Team, you have lost their support. They are tired of pursuing this pot of gold at the end of the rainbow theory.   

 

[Tim Nelson]

So should the members in CLT interpret this to mean you understand voting for Mark, who by the way, is not running for AGC like yourself, yet they should vote for you and the others on your ticket who are running for AGC against the Delaney Team candidates. If so; you just threw your candidate for VP at Large under the bus. The members can vote for Mark because he is running for VP at Large. By saying this; you are implying an understanding of why the membership may vote across slates.There is a lot of dissention on the UA side. The incumbents may pay the price. On the US side... the jury is still out. It will be up to the opposition slate, on the US side, to convince the membership the US incumbents must be voted out as well. Your efforts so far, of this agenda, have been duly noted. The fact is; many disengaged members will vote based on the opinion, and the respect they have, of their local committee leadership. Just as the POS contract at UA was ratified 70% to 30% by the membership; so too will the election results be determined. Did the Grand Lodge election produce any change? Thousands of members at Boeing and UA who were sold out, yet limited and insufficient numbers, could be bothered to vote for change. You're dealing with a membership who does not share your committment or passion. To the engaged members who supported your endorsement, not many years ago, of the Delaney Team, you have lost their support. They are tired of pursuing this pot of gold at the end of the rainbow theory.   

I fully understand that some folks walk away after two losing hands, thinking it's futile.  I can't control that.   No, I didn't throw anyone under the bus, I can simply understand those who vote for home candidates. That 'makes sense' if someone votes that way.  I will push against Charlie Brown because he does what Delaney tells him to do and I think his action of endorsing the United contract was more profane than he obviously thought.   What I can't understand are those voting for people they don't know AND who have not won over their home local.  Every single candidate on the U4C ticket won his/her home endorsement of all reporting locals.  Only a few won their home local on Team Delaneny's ticket.   So, imo, it makes no sense for someone in CLT to just blindly vote the way Charlie Brown tells them to, when his candidates can't even win their home local endorsement AND many of them actually finished dead last.  It also makes no sense to me for someone to have been against the 2008 US AIRWAYS agreement and vote for the very folks who negotiated it, recommended it, and pushed it.  But, that's whose on Team Delaney's ticket.

 

[mike33]

I fully understand that some folks walk away after two losing hands, thinking it's futile.  I can't control that.   No, I didn't throw anyone under the bus, I can simply understand those who vote for home candidates.  What I can't understand are those voting for people they don't know AND who have not won over their home local.  Every single candidate on the U4C ticket won his/her home endorsement of all reporting locals.  Only a few won their home local on Team Delaneny's ticket.   So, imo, it makes no sense for someone in CLT to just blindly vote the way Charlie Brown tells them to, when his candidates can't even win their home local endorsement AND many of them actually finished dead last.  It also makes no sense to me for someone to have been against the 2008 US AIRWAYS agreement and vote for the very folks who negotiated it, recommended it, and pushed it.  But, that's whose on Team Delaney's ticket.

Nominations are one thing. When the vote happens, " The cup turn'th over ". 

 

[700UW]

I will consider that a threat sir and file it. Obviously you know something i dont and ill consider it a threat. Noted and saved to computer.

Gonna run and tell your mommy?
 
I mean get real.
 
And you know outing someone on the board is a violation of the TOS.
 
Does it make sense to vote for someone who was never a steward, nor a committeeman?
 
Does it make sense to take away position from US people and give it to UA?

 

[roabilly]

Gonna run and tell your mommy?
 
I mean get real.
 
And you know outing someone on the board is a violation of the TOS.
 
Does it make sense to vote for someone who was never a steward, nor a committeeman?
 
Does it make sense to take away position from US people and give it to UA?

And that's exactly what I meant... he will "care" because dishonesty will cost him (Nelson) the election, and the continued TOS violations may very well cost him his forum account!

 

[700UW]

He has been trying to run for office and have all the power for over 20 years, only to fail every single time.

 

[roabilly]

He has been trying to run for office and have all the power for over 20 years, only to fail every single time.

All he would have to do is quit attempting to spin everything into a Leadership crisis, and run on merit and dedication... maybe then, he would be respected...

 

[700UW]

He is bitter from over 20 years of failure to get power so all he knows is negative campaigning, he always tries to tear someone down instead of trying to build himself up.
 
He must follow Karl Rove's playbook.

 

[Rook]

YES ! Everything that you ever wanted has been obtained in these last talks, the last two or three years of fruitless time consuming talks will soon be behind us!
Also I hear we are all going to get free land on the moon!

 

[Rook]

Now I see why they call you freedum!
You don't have to be a d**k but then again you probably would sell out anybody for an extra buck!

 

[700UW]

He already has with the 2008 Agreement.

 

[DFWFSC]

I was up in the terminal here at DFW today and a guy introduced himself as a US ramper at PHX. So, we talked about the merger and how we do things at DFW and how they do things in PHX...etc. We started talking about the unions, and he said the current union leader in PHX was a POS and was gonna get voted out in favor of a guy named Valdez? or some other name starting with a V?  Whats that all about? Couldn't get any details as he had to get on his flight.

 

[roabilly]

He is bitter from over 20 years of failure to get power so all he knows is negative campaigning, he always tries to tear someone down instead of trying to build himself up.
 
He must follow Karl Rove's playbook.

That’s exactly why I’m supporting the current Leadership in this election. I knew most of them personally BEFORE they ran for office. They never badmouthed people; they simply ran on their own merit as dedicated trade unionist. They attended meetings, got involved and stepped-up when we wanted them to.
 
Spinning... and trash talking others is not a virtue for anyone I want in office!

 

[Rook]

Thanks 700!
I would like to return the favor but that's not my nature to sell out anybody especially peoples career!

 

[Jester]

DFWFSC,
 
Basically, the issue gets down to the idea that P.Rez has lost touch with the Membership, but this should not construed as an endorsement of his opposition who has been accused of being fat and lazy.  There does appear to be a core of people who will say, "P.Rez was a good guy, but money and power have changed him."
 
I will say that I think P.Rez does a decent job of keeping the PHX ramp informed and he does make himself available for issues and questions asked of him.  He is a pleasant and respectful man, but IMHO I don't see the fire against local PHX Management which is in serious need of some challenging.  Sometimes I think he is a little too chummy with Management which could be viewed as attracting more flies with honey, but I think it comes as a cost of placating on issues which should not be compromised.
 
If I had to wager, I would think P.Rez will retain his position, as I am seeing not much smoke and forget the heat from the opposition.