2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

• The IAM National Pension Fund is the 5th largest multiemployer pension fund in the United States.
• The Fund has approximately $10.7 billion in assets.
• The Fund has over 1,750 contributing employer locations.

 
 Would i like a 401k?...yes... i have one. 
Does it pay me more than the NPF on the max contribution amount?....no ...it doesnt
Do i want the company to contribute to both?.....of course i do,  but the NPF is a better single choice for me. I would rather the CBA add more hourly contribution to the plan. The thing holding fleet service down is the amount of P/T. That is our fault for letting it happen. We should have voted for a cap on P/T.

it is the primary fault of the usair candidates that you support that agreed with management in the 2008 agreement to keep part time at only .65. And you support those candidates. You need to lay off freedom for listening to the candidates u suppirt or u should "come clean" and finally admit how these candidates effed us over with the 2008 agreement.

 

[mike33]

it is the primary fault of the usair candidates that you support that agreed with management in the 2008 agreement to keep part time at only .65. And you support those candidates. You need to lay off freedom for listening to the candidates u suppirt or u should "come clean" and finally admit how these candidates effed us over with the 2008 agreement.

Nice try. Your are doing a fine job on your own !
 
As far as laying off freedom?....its educational info. I haven't said anything derogatory to him.  ( in years)
 
  So is it 5.5% of 23.00 in september? or 5.5% of any base pay amount?

 

[700UW]

There are never absentee ballots for a Contract vote.
 
And once again, DL 751 and Boeing reached a new TA.
 
How is having a vote on it going behind the member's backs?
 
You failed to answer that once again.

 

[737823]

There are never absentee ballots for a Contract vote.
 
And once again, DL 751 and Boeing reached a new TA.
 
How is having a vote on it going behind the member's backs?
 
You failed to answer that once again.

Because he clearly did it in a way to simply get it to pass, and it barely passed. I mean seriously you need help with this one? Why did they hold the vote while many members were away on vacation? And why does that IAM have antiquated voting processes and procedures and hold union meetings during times members can't attend like right at shift change? They want to suppress democracy and accountability.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Once again you didnt show how he went behind their backs?
 
Clear notice was given to the Boeing members, if it was that important to them they would have voted.

 

[737823]

There you go again blaming the members. Funny you blast freedom for using his democratic right to accept the 08 agreement yet defend this and the UA agreement saying "the membership ratified it".

Josh

 

[freedom]

Nice try. Your are doing a fine job on your own !
 
As far as laying off freedom?....its educational info. I haven't said anything derogatory to him.  ( in years)
 
  So is it 5.5% of 23.00 in september? or 5.5% of any base pay amount?

Actually I'm only trolling the comment section because I notice Josh quoted me from back in DEC...

Not only that but you people keep mentioning me ...

At this time I have nothing of revelance to add to any current conversation. ..

 

[700UW]

Apple and Oranges.

 

[737823]

Apple and Oranges.

How so?

Josh

 

[mike33]

Actually I'm only trolling the comment section because I notice Josh quoted me from back in DEC...

Not only that but you people keep mentioning me ...

At this time I have nothing of revelance to add to any current conversation. ..

Yeah. Nelson is using you as a political pawn is all. It's old news he uses from yrs ago. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yeah. Nelson is using you as a political pawn is all. It's old news he uses from yrs ago. 

2008 has come back up since Team Delaney decided to recruit the majority of his candidates from the negotiation team of 2008 that you were doggedly against at the time and voiced great displeasure in the error of their ways.  Now, you offer support for the same US AIRWAYS candidates who were on Canale's negotiation team that screwed our group over in 2008.   And you have blasted freedom.  Freedom only listened to that negotiation team and they happen to be the same candidates on Team Delaney's ballot.

 

[mike33]

2008 has come back up since Team Delaney decided to recruit the majority of his candidates from the negotiation team of 2008 that you were doggedly against at the time and voiced great displeasure in the error of their ways.  Now, you offer support for the same US AIRWAYS candidates who were on Canale's negotiation team that screwed our group over in 2008.   And you have blasted freedom.  Freedom only listened to that negotiation team and they happen to be the same candidates on Team Delaney's ballot.

And you offered support for Delaney also. You don't have any idea who i support really !  I don't know how that NC back in 2008 viewed the CBA as individuals....  You are trying your hardest to convince me that you are the candidate of choice I'm sure....
 
 Is it 5.5% of 23.00?............ lets clear this up once and for all !

 

[Tim Nelson]

And you offered support for Delaney also. You don't have any idea who i support really !  I don't know how that NC back in 2008 viewed the CBA as individuals....  You are trying your hardest to convince me that you are the candidate of choice I'm sure....
 
 Is it 5.5% of 23.00?............ lets clear this up once and for all !

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, sir.  I'm just pointing out all your BS.  Offering someone support to give someone a chance, as we all did for Delaney, doesn't entitle him or anyone else for our continued support. Especially with how he F everything up for our craft in the entire industry. It is, however, nonsensical for someone to complain to Freedom and complain about the 2008 agreement and then vote for the same candidates who brought back the 2008 agreement.  Puzzling indeed.

 

[mike33]

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, sir.  I'm just pointing out all your BS.  Offering someone support to give someone a chance, as we all did for Delaney, doesn't entitle him or anyone else for our continued support. Especially with how he F everything up for our craft in the entire industry. It is, however, nonsensical for someone to complain to Freedom and complain about the 2008 agreement and then vote for the same candidates who brought back the 2008 agreement.  Puzzling indeed.

And how did those candidates vote individually on that agreement?
 
So is it 5.5% of $23 ?
 
Im surprised Josh hasn't helped you out on this one ?.....   Josh ?

 

[Tim Nelson]

 
So is it 5.5% of $23 ?

The context of our conversation was those over 50 years old with the assumption that a particular individual at AMR does not work overtime or have at least 9 years.  
it could be 5.5% on $34.50 on all overtime if we figured that in.  Even those below the 9 year mark who aren't making $23 could have 5.5% on any overtime rate of 1.5 x. 
 
The max that a full time US AIRWAYS IAM member can have going into the IAMPF from the company is $2,185 a year.
The max for a topped out AMR agent who works NO OVERTIME is $2,635 a year. Or a contribution difference of about $500.
 
The Max for a AMR worker who only works 8 hours of overtime a week, the company would have to contribute: $3,425 or a difference of $1,250 when compared to the IAMPF company contribution.
 
Of course, the IAM members who are part time, regardless of time, get POUNDED with the .65 cent an hour, or only a $845 contribution for a 25 hour part timer.  Notice, the 25 hour part timer also gets POUNDED by the IAMPF as he does NOT meet credit qualifications [Remember Mike, one needs 32 hours a week otherwise the credit penalty kicks in]. 
 
Your boys negotiated this mess.  Go ahead, I can't stop you from voting for them either. But they negotiated this crap.  In fact, your boys pounded 40% of our members with charging them full dues, twice for health care, and half for pension.  WTH?  Well, I guess nobody can stop you from going over a cliff with these guys one more time.