2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

In Fact lets talk about Tim's US side of his ticket. There are 3 US people running for AGC. Tim is by far the most experienced. How much experience do you have Tim doing AGC type of work?? How many cases at step 3 have you done? How many cases have you ever mediated? How many cases have you ever arbitrated? How many airline contracts have you ever negotiated? You should tell the members at US, that you plan on all your US boys doing " on the job training" including you. We are still digging ourselfs out of the mess from 2008 when you put people in place and thought that " on the job training " was the way to go. Now you want people to repeat the scenario all over again, when you yourself admits it was a mistake. Your playing with the membership Tim, just to get a position. A AGC has some serious responsibilities, it shouldn't be given to people that needs " on the job training". And yes your guy in PHL and PHX maybe nice guys!! No argument!! But if they care about the members instead of a position, then they should get some decent experience under their belt before running for such an important position. But yeah your right!!!!!! You care about the US members!!!! What a joke!!

Charlie Brown or Linus or whatever you call yourself, have you learned from the errors of your ways of endorsing a ramp contract that destroys jobs after ratification?   Will you pledge to at least recommend a rejection on any T/A that doesn't grandfather all of our current work [not talking Cindy dates]?  Our company has made what?  over a Billion dollars, yes?  2 Billion this year?   In such a context, will you give us your word this time, unlike at United, that you will restrain from endorsing a contract that doesn't increase scope to all current stations?
 
As far as experience, I will admit that you guys got a bunch of seat warmers on your team. No doubt about that.  But keeping a seat warm and claiming experience at negotiations when you guys endorse POS agreements isn't the sorta experience that our members need. No thanks!   The mayor of Toronto has experience being a seat warmer as well.  So what's your point?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Charlie Brown,  why would you ask the CLT members to vote for all of the members on your team when 14 of the 15 United members didn't even get their home endorsement?  If those who know your candidates best say, "NO WAY" then why should you deceive the CLT members to vote for them?    Every member on the Unified For Change slate received his/her home nomination of all reporting locals.  Every single one from the locals reporting!  That speaks higher than this conversation, don't you think?  It doesn't make sense for you to continue deceiving your own members into baiting them to vote for all of your candidates.  You should at least 'come clean' and explain to them both sides and who they are voting for and why the majority of your ticket was not endorsed by their home station.  Disappointing indeed Charlie.

 

[charlie Brown]

Your version of things is incorrect sir.  In fact, the truth is entirely opposite.
 
I believe that Lindell is simply a much better candidate than you.  He just got accepted into Law school and is also a Local President.  I think it will be beneficial to the executive board to have someone who doesn't have to be trained how to read more than 5 words in a contract.
But, yes, I do support him over a US AIRWAYS candidate that endorsed a POS United contract.  Integrity is everything with me.  And BTW, supporting him over you [from a hub] cost me votes for sure, so I'm not sure where you get your math from. 
He is from tiny MSP and how many votes is that?  40 at most?  Not supporting you cost me votes Mark so get your facts straight.  But our membership needs candidates with integrity, unlike you and others who thought it was cute to endorse a POS united agreement.   At any rate, instead of pissing and moaning about your own position, maybe look in the mirror as it is fairly obvious that you haven't learned from endorsing that POS united agreement. 
 
Again, any update from Delaney about those new 30 stations going to get whacked?  ORD and DEN deicing that you endorsed that we would lose?  You are quick to endorse such things because "You expect them to endorse your contract" but very slow to give us an update on the damage and destruction to the familes YOU have caused already.  update us please?

Tim
Lol. No I'm not incorrect. You think you can just spin it and won't get caught. And this has nothing to do with AJ or my position. I know AJ, think he's a great guy. Kinda suprised he jumped on a ticket with you to be honest. Yes he's from MSP. Care to tell everyone on the US side where you UA guy running for trustee is from. No you won't tell them, so I will. He's from IAH, which is a huge hub for UA. Clt is a dwarf hub compared to IAH. Guess you lose votes there too? Right spin doctor?? Your selling the US guys out!! But you think you can spin and spin and make it alright. It's not about my position!! You can understand can't you?? It's the fact that you could and should have chose 2 US people to run for those spots, so they would stay US spots on the board no matter what side won. If your ticket wins, that's two positions we will never get back. Which leaves just the Three US guys you have running for AGC. Now let's everyone focus in the experience these 3 have. Since we are gonna have 2 less positions on the US side, these 3 guys better be very experienced. Let's talk about that Tim. Answer my other post about you and your other two running for AGC.

 

[charlie Brown]

Charlie Brown,  why would you ask the CLT members to vote for all of the members on your team when 14 of the 15 United members didn't even get their home endorsement?  If those who know your candidates best say, "NO WAY" then why should you deceive the CLT members to vote for them?    Every member on the Unified For Change slate received his/her home nomination of all reporting locals.  Every single one from the locals reporting!  That speaks higher than this conversation, don't you think?  It doesn't make sense for you to continue deceiving your own members into baiting them to vote for all of your candidates.  You should at least 'come clean' and explain to them both sides and who they are voting for and why the majority of your ticket was not endorsed by their home station.  Disappointing indeed Charlie.

Tim
Like I said before you get excited about nominations. We care about elections. We didn't even try in nominations, and our team still won nominations in the most stations. That's who is on the top of the ballot you know, the team that won nominations in the most stations. Tim your going to be representing the US people as a AGC if you win. Let me ask you this? If you lose almost all the US controlled stations, and if they speak their voice that they don't want you!! And since you care so much for the US members. Will you resign your position, and let the voice of the members be heard??

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
Lol. No I'm not incorrect. You think you can just spin it and won't get caught. And this has nothing to do with AJ or my position. I know AJ, think he's a great guy. Kinda suprised he jumped on a ticket with you to be honest. Yes he's from MSP. Care to tell everyone on the US side where you UA guy running for trustee is from. No you won't tell them, so I will. He's from IAH, which is a huge hub for UA. Clt is a dwarf hub compared to IAH. Guess you lose votes there too? Right spin doctor?? Your selling the US guys out!! But you think you can spin and spin and make it alright. It's not about my position!! You can understand can't you?? It's the fact that you could and should have chose 2 US people to run for those spots, so they would stay US spots on the board no matter what side won. If your ticket wins, that's two positions we will never get back. Which leaves just the Three US guys you have running for AGC. Now let's everyone focus in the experience these 3 have. Since we are gonna have 2 less positions on the US side, these 3 guys better be very experienced. Let's talk about that Tim. Answer my other post about you and your other two running for AGC.

Charlie,  either you are lying or you just need to look at the ballot.  That trustee spot has MIller up against Kane.  Our ballot loses votes on that one too.  Stop lying Charlie.  Miller is from BOS which is much larger than MCO.  Stop lying.   I didn't support Miller when he was with Canale and sold us out with the 2008 contract so why on earth would I, or any US AIRWAYS candidate support him now after he just hammered the United members also by endorsing that POS contract?  Miller has been nothing short of a disaster for US AIRWAYS members and should be voted off the eboard a second time.   And the other trustee spot has your IAH candidate against my IAH team mate, so get your facts straight and look at the ticket before you lie.
 
And let's talk about your US AIRWAYS candidates.  The majority of them were on that 2008 Negotiation committee that already hammered our people with our current contract.  Why should they get our support?

 

[700UW]

Let's see timmy, you keep harpping about a UA POS CBA, explain why it passed by 70%?

 

[737823]

Let's see timmy, you keep harpping about a UA POS CBA, explain why it passed by 70%?

You know why company boy, people looked at the money only. And they now regret it, you know full well.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
Like I said before you get excited about nominations. We care about elections. We didn't even try in nominations, and our team still won nominations in the most stations. That's who is on the top of the ballot you know, the team that won nominations in the most stations. Tim your going to be representing the US people as a AGC if you win. Let me ask you this? If you lose almost all the US controlled stations, and if they speak their voice that they don't want you!! And since you care so much for the US members. Will you resign your position, and let the voice of the members be heard??

Actually it was a shame that you and your people disallowed 57% of the nominations of our members just so your team could be on top of the ballot.  Discarding 25 locals out of 46 is a complete violation of the LMRDA rights of our members but we didn't file any charges because we don't want to delay the election.  What is troubling is that the vast majority of your own ticket were NOT endorsed by their own local, and you don't care.  I think the membership does.
 
At any rate, if the membership elects me to become an AGC, I will fill the spot and honor their decision.  As for those who didn't vote for me, I take that as a challenge to gain their support.  I respect any member if they vote against me, and certainly US AIRWAYS members are about where United members were two years ago when your team was shitting them.  The United members really disliked me but now I have gained their respect since, once again, time proved me correct and truthful.  I know this sounds twisted, at least to me it does, but I look forward to convincing PJ and Roabilly that I have their backs.  It will take time but I don't alienate members because they aren't on my side.  I remember when I was Director of Organizing, I used organizers who didn't support Delaney [Russo and Beatty] and Delaney said "F 'em".  I told Delaney that we needed to win the organizing drives and I was going to use them.  In the future, the same will be true.  If Im an AGC,  I will work with you and anyone else who wants to build this union.  The main challenge is getting to another throwdown party with Roabilly.  Roa is a nice guy and he bust my balls but someone has to.  I know myself, so over time I think me and Roa will have a drink together again. 

 

[charlie Brown]

Charlie,  either you are lying or you just need to look at the ballot.  That trustee spot has MIller up against Kane.  Our ballot loses votes on that one too.  Stop lying Charlie.  Miller is from BOS which is much larger than MCO.  Stop lying.   I didn't support Miller when he was with Canale and sold us out with the 2008 contract so why on earth would I, or any US AIRWAYS candidate support him now after he just hammered the United members also by endorsing that POS contract?  Miller has been nothing short of a disaster for US AIRWAYS members and should be voted off the eboard a second time.   And the other trustee spot has your IAH candidate against my IAH team mate, so get your facts straight and look at the ticket before you lie.
 
And let's talk about your US AIRWAYS candidates.  The majority of them were on that 2008 Negotiation committee that already hammered our people with our current contract.  Why should they get our support?

Talking about Steve Miller out of BOS. Very stand up guy, that works his ass off for his members!! Would make a much better AGC than you would, with much more experience. And since you want to talk about how people from a candidates city feels about them, why don't you check and see how the members in BOS feels about Miller. I'm sure you won't like what they have to say about him. I've been there, talked to them. I know how much they support him. Hell it only took one trip to clt when we had our info meeting and he has all kinda of support here. Don't really think you want to fight that fight. And why do you now want to talk about my US candidates????oh yeah I know. Shift shift shift shift focus off of Tims guys again. Let's shift back to your guys since I asked first, then we can talk about mine. Come on man!! Let's talk about your guys. Let's talk about how your screwing the US members before you even hold a office. You know putting the UA guys in US slots is going to get you more votes on the UA side. They outnumber us 30 some thousand to about 6 thousand. Just admit your throwing US under the bus to get elected. And answer my question. Will you step down if you lose the US stations and honor the will of the membership??? Since you care about them??

 

[700UW]

You know why company boy, people looked at the money only. And they now regret it, you know full well.

Josh

Hey King of the Liars, Mr Misinformation and Fraud, did I ask you?
 
Are you Tim?
 
Are you and IAM Member?
 
Do you work for US?
 
Do you work for UA?
 
Go back and make up more lies and spread hate and discontent.
 
And butt out, you are just a passenger as you claim, aka JP Morgan Fraud Enabler.
 
Unlike you I wont run to the moderators when you call me names, but if you can dish it out you better be able to take it.
 
Go to the finance boards and post there.

 

[700UW]

Just because a candidate is accepted to law school doesnt mean squat if he never filed a grievance, never represented a member at third step, mediation, special hearing or arbitration.
 
Go around the breakroom, the are plenty of lawyers, accountants and experts, they will tell you.

 

[737823]

Hey King of the Liars, Mr Misinformation and Fraud, did I ask you?
 
Are you Tim?

Are you and IAM Member?
 
Do you work for US?

Do you work for UA?
 
Go back and make up more lies and spread hate and discontent.
 
And butt out, you are just a passenger as you claim, aka JP Morgan Fraud Enabler.

Ask yourself those same questions company boy

Now run along O'Driscoll needs you.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Ask yourself those same questions company boy

Now run along O'Driscoll needs you.

Josh

Go e-mail or call Tim or Gerry.
 
And you need new material insult boy, go run and tattle now.
 
 

Don't you ever get sick of posting the same sh*t over & over?

I sure get sick of reading it...

But today's a new day. Let's see if you can get through it w/o posting a "WWOD?" or "whither Sito & Roach?" type post.

Good luck!

 

 
There, day is almost over...
 
Josh

 
 

Almost...

Once you cross the 24hr. threshold, try to keep going.

 

[charlie Brown]

So you won't honor the US members and let their voice be heard if they speak by their vote that they don't want you?? And Tim most of the UA people that support you, don't know you, and the ones that do, would sale their sole to the devil for a position. The UA people will eventually come around like most of the US people that knows you have done. In fact since you think it's important for people to see what their own think of them. Maybe your UA fans should check out the US cities and how they vote for you.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Talking about Steve Miller out of BOS. Very stand up guy, that works his ass off for his members!! Would make a much better AGC than you would, with much more experience. And since you want to talk about how people from a candidates city feels about them, why don't you check and see how the members in BOS feels about Miller. I'm sure you won't like what they have to say about him. I've been there, talked to them. I know how much they support him. Hell it only took one trip to clt when we had our info meeting and he has all kinda of support here. Don't really think you want to fight that fight. And why do you now want to talk about my US candidates????oh yeah I know. Shift shift shift shift focus off of Tims guys again. Let's shift back to your guys since I asked first, then we can talk about mine. Come on man!! Let's talk about your guys. Let's talk about how your screwing the US members before you even hold a office. You know putting the UA guys in US slots is going to get you more votes on the UA side. They outnumber us 30 some thousand to about 6 thousand. Just admit your throwing US under the bus to get elected. And answer my question. Will you step down if you lose the US stations and honor the will of the membership??? Since you care about them??

I answered your question already about those who hypothetically may vote against me.  I'll honor the vote of the membership count and take those who voted against me as a challenge to prove my worth to them over the term of the office.
No, our whole ticket loses votes by putting up a small town guy against you.  And we put up another small town guy against Miller.  BOS does like Miller but most everyone in CLT voted against him in 2008 because he brought back that sorry 2008 agreement.  Not sure why we would expect him to change unless he learned from the error of his ways.
 
I have a great deal of respect for the two other US AIRWAYS candidates on the team I'm on. They aren't the sorta guys who needed titles or took any credit but you can use that against them if you want.  They have the respect of their stations and Artie was endorsed by his own people unlike most of your team members.  Carl has helped out numerous members with grievances and other situations over 30 years but hasn't taken any credit or titles for it.  He is more of a stand up guy than your whole ticket and certainly he has a helluva lot more integrity than you or Miller endorsing that ridiculous United contract.  He would have got his nomination in PHL as well if the Local didn't screw up the whole night and scrap the nomination.   In fact, we need to get rid of Gill.  Not only because he already burned us once on that 2008 contract, but he has absolutely no control over that PHL local.  They have to redo everything all the time. They can't even handle a Local election.  It's a mess.  
 
And, even more important than above, in fact, incredibly important, the two US AIRWAYS candidates running against your United candidates are not management ass kissers.  Your candidates are WAY TOO CLOSE to management!  Warning Will Robinson!!!!!