2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

And to anyone who may think otherwise. I have nothing against Tim. I just am tired of the career politicians who keep wanting to kiss my baby when I never had one. Don't sell me snake oil. Prove to me what you are capable of doing that will benefit myself and the people I work side by side with.

When it's all done I'll be sitting under a palm tree somewhere drinking a fruity beverage in retirement and I'll have a mean and vicious dog that will be sitting next to me just in case any politicians meander near.

If elected, I'll have plenty of opportunity to prove to you.  I'm excited about it and it's a awesome challenge for me!

 

[WeAAsles]

[American Airlines] benefits from a range of company-specific positives that we think are still not fully incorporated into consensus thinking as evidenced by our significantly above consensus 2015 EPS estimates. Not only do we believe mgmt’s synergy estimate could be low when compared to other airlines, but we see in the range of ~$600M of additional company specific opportunities not yet considered by consensus beyond the ~$400M already identified by [American Airlines'] management.

http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2014/05/12/airlines-stronger-for-longer-on-buybacks-free-cash-flow-and-synergies/?mod=yahoobarrons&ru=yahoo

 

[WeAAsles]

If elected, I'll have plenty of opportunity to prove to you.  I'm excited about it and it's a awesome challenge for me!

I understand that you are running against 20 other people or so Tim. Of course anyone who puts themselves out there to be chosen by their peers should be wished luck. But also Tim you have to be a team player as it is not a one man show. You can't be self absorbed or feel that your opinion is any more important than others who were chosen to lead. Great leaders understand the team is what makes them so.

If you are chosen Tim of course I wish you extremely well. To not do so would be counterproductive to those who will be relying on you possibly when they need you the most.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I understand that you are running against 20 other people or so Tim. Of course anyone who puts themselves out there to be chosen by their peers should be wished luck. But also Tim you have to be a team player as it is not a one man show. You can't be self absorbed or feel that your opinion is any more important than others who were chosen to lead. Great leaders understand the team is what makes them so.

If you are chosen Tim of course I wish you extremely well. To not do so would be counterproductive to those who will be relying on you possibly when they need you the most.

My teamwork skills are clearly seen by when I put a organizing team together and won every Organizing election I attempted, and changed out the dopey way in which the IAM used to organize.  The strength of that team was to enlist members who were politically opposed to me and Delaney.  When I enlisted Rick Russo as the assistant director of our campaigns, Delaney flipped out but I maintained my strategy and kept Russo and another solid organizer on our team, Gene Beatty who actually ran with a guy named Canale.  
 
At any rate, the IAM had no solid skill set to organize until I was able to usher in the new techniques that brought the organizing into this century.  A large part of that was working with members politically opposed. We need to do the same with the negotiation techniques and strategies because the IAM negotiation arm is KILLING our craft. Absolutely terrible and embarrassing for all of our members, not just in the airlines but everywhere. 
 
And the great thing about the ticket I'm on is the diversity of opinion, the exact sorta thing you mentioned.  The other ticket is a bunch of bobbleheads who have to 'tow the line' and agree with Delaney. I'm running with co-teammates who I have differed with in the past and will differ with in the future, and that diversity is our strength and will keep us away from the paternal 'Daddy knows best' unionism we have now that really turns off the members and dials them out of the union.

 

[roabilly]

I can assure you that if the NC brought out what it already has moved on with the company, that US AIRWAYS members won't need any spin doctor and that I'd be surprised if even CLT produced a 10% vote for them in June. At any rate, me and you completely disagree. I happen to think that increasing scope is not a preposterous demand but should be the first item checked off prior to days off.  Unfortunately, that has not happened sir.  I fully understand that those of you who are retired, and others who just lack a year or two until retirement don't give a rats ass about scope and would accept Cinderella dates, but for those of us who have to worry about Joint talks, we certainly could use more leverage by gaining real scope that doesn't vanish with a drop dead date. 
 
Delaney is good about producing Bull #### agreements that say "Well,hell, we got a drop dead date but we will be in negotiations with a joint contract prior to that so we will have a joint contract that will address this later".  All BS.  Cinderella dates will encourage management to delay any Joint contract, just like the 2% pay raise after 18 months encouraged management to just shelve negotiations last time.

At no pint in my post did I mention, allude to, or indicate that we should IGNORE Scope and Recognition. The point I’m making is simple... there are certain things the Company will NEVER agree to. For instance, PILOT monetary compensation and benefits for Fleet Service, or let’s say an unrealistic scope proposal, like awarding aircraft fueling to Fleet Service.
 
Quit putting words in my mouth... that’s why I said you are the ultimate Spin-Doctor, you twist the phrases and ideas of others around to suit your own agenda.
 
Not a becoming trait for someone salivating to represent our Membership, would you think?

 

[Tim Nelson]

At no pint in my post did I mention, allude to, or indicate that we should IGNORE Scope and Recognition. The point I’m making is simple... there are certain things the Company will NEVER agree to. For instance, PILOT monetary compensation and benefits for Fleet Service, or let’s say an unrealistic scope proposal, like returning fueling to Fleet Service.
 
Quit putting words in my mouth... that’s why I said you are the ultimate Spin-Doctor, you twist the phrases and ideas of others around to suit your own agenda.
 
Not a becoming trait for someone salivating to represent our Membership, would you think?

You sir, are the spin doctor. Let's stay focused on scope.  Yes we disagree because I do not think it is unrealistic to grandfather all current stations in under scope.  You, sir, can not say that is reasonable since you prolly know what they tabled last week.  I want you to tell us that it is reasonable to ask for, and secure, scope for all the current stations, and i'm not talking the dopey Cinderella dates or other vanishing acts that your boys like to band aid.

 

[P. REZ]

My teamwork skills are clearly seen by when I put a organizing team together and won every Organizing election I attempted, and changed out the dopey way in which the IAM used to organize.  The strength of that team was to enlist members who were politically opposed to me and Delaney.  When I enlisted Rick Russo as the assistant director of our campaigns, Delaney flipped out but I maintained my strategy and kept Russo and another solid organizer on our team, Gene Beatty who actually ran with a guy named Canale.  
 
At any rate, the IAM had no solid skill set to organize until I was able to usher in the new techniques that brought the organizing into this century.  A large part of that was working with members politically opposed. We need to do the same with the negotiation techniques and strategies because the IAM negotiation arm is KILLING our craft. Absolutely terrible and embarrassing for all of our members, not just in the airlines but everywhere. 
 
And the great thing about the ticket I'm on is the diversity of opinion, the exact sorta thing you mentioned.  The other ticket is a bunch of bobbleheads who have to 'tow the line' and agree with Delaney. I'm running with co-teammates who I have differed with in the past and will differ with in the future, and that diversity is our strength and will keep us away from the paternal 'Daddy knows best' unionism we have now that really turns off the members and dials them out of the union.

Tim,
 
Let's talk about this skill set you have. 700 says you f**ked up in 92 and filed short on cards and a bloodbath ensued. Over at Airtran you filed short on cards there too. Sounds to me that filing short twice is F**king nothing to be proud of bro, I would not be bragging about those lack of accomplishments.  
 
P. Rez

 

[WeAAsles]

My teamwork skills are clearly seen by when I put a organizing team together and won every Organizing election I attempted, and changed out the (delete) way in which the IAM used to organize.  The IAM had a lack of solid skill set to organize until I was able to usher in the new techniques that brought the organizing into this century.  We need to do the same with the negotiation techniques and strategies and that's what I would like and think I can bring to the membership moving forward. I don't personally agree with the current progress and feel that is where my strength could lay in offering a different perspective.
 
And the great thing about the ticket I'm on is the diversity of opinion, the exact sorta thing you mentioned.  The other ticket in my opinion has had the chance to prove what they could do and has so far come up short. I'm running with co-teammates who I have differed with in the past and will differ with in the future, and that diversity is our strength and will keep us away from the paternal areas of unionism where I feel specific leaders have not been able to show their particular talents against any singular direction of the International as their measure.

This is IMO opinion how you should be attempting to woo those you wish to vote for you Tim. Don't push people away from you. Draw them in and make them excited about your vision.

 

[pjirish317]

 

My teamwork skills are clearly seen by when I put a organizing team together and won every Organizing election I attempted, and changed out the dopey way in which the IAM used to organize.  The strength of that team was to enlist members who were politically opposed to me and Delaney.  When I enlisted Rick Russo as the assistant director of our campaigns, Delaney flipped out but I maintained my strategy and kept Russo and another solid organizer on our team, Gene Beatty who actually ran with a guy named Canale.  
 
At any rate, the IAM had no solid skill set to organize until I was able to usher in the new techniques that brought the organizing into this century.  A large part of that was working with members politically opposed. We need to do the same with the negotiation techniques and strategies because the IAM negotiation arm is KILLING our craft. Absolutely terrible and embarrassing for all of our members, not just in the airlines but everywhere. 
 
And the great thing about the ticket I'm on is the diversity of opinion, the exact sorta thing you mentioned.  The other ticket is a bunch of bobbleheads who have to 'tow the line' and agree with Delaney. I'm running with co-teammates who I have differed with in the past and will differ with in the future, and that diversity is our strength and will keep us away from the paternal 'Daddy knows best' unionism we have now that really turns off the members and dials them out of the union.

tim,

The "daddy knowa best" unionism is exactly what you are campaigning on. That you know whats best for us and our opinion doesn't matter at all to you. We are "wrong, drunk on the unions kool-aide, have our heads up our asses, ect. ect. ect."

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim,
 
Let's talk about this skill set you have. 700 says you f**ked up in 92 and filed short on cards and a bloodbath ensued. Over at Airtran you filed short on cards there too. Sounds to me that filing short twice is F**king nothing to be proud of bro, I would not be bragging about those lack of accomplishments.  
 
P. Rez

You see Tim. Your past history will always come back to haunt you until you learn to take ownership of it. You made horrible decisions in your past that affected a great many people and that is well documented here on the net. What you need to do to move forward from it is confess your sins in a sort of way. Purge your demons and admit your failings.

We all are subject to failings through our lives. The strong ones though will let them shape the character they have moving forward rather than shunning and running from them.

 

[roabilly]

You sir, are the spin doctor. Let's stay focused on scope.  Yes we disagree because I do not think it is unrealistic to grandfather all current stations in under scope.  You, sir, can not say that is reasonable since you prolly know what they tabled last week.  I want you to tell us that it is reasonable to ask for, and secure, scope for all the current stations, and i'm not talking the dopey Cinderella dates or other vanishing acts that your boys like to band aid.

You are defiantly f’ed up in the head! I have no idea what was “tabled” as you are so fond of saying. As far as Scope and Recognition, I see no need to GIVE anything up... period! My bet is that when a T/A is returned... NO Scope will be lost!
 
More than likely Scope enhancements can be gained in the JCBA as well... and again I’m not on the N/C Committee... but Prez is... and he’s here now... so ask HIM!

 

[roabilly]

Tim,
 
Let's talk about this skill set you have. 700 says you f**ked up in 92 and filed short on cards and a bloodbath ensued. Over at Airtran you filed short on cards there too. Sounds to me that filing short twice is F**king nothing to be proud of bro, I would not be bragging about those lack of accomplishments.  
 
P. Rez

I have a question; can someone serve as a Union Officer if he/she has a past history of Duel Unionism?
 
700... do you know how this works?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Let's talk about this skill set you have. 700 says you f**ked up in 92 and filed short on cards and a bloodbath ensued. Over at Airtran you filed short on cards there too. Sounds to me that filing short twice is F**king nothing to be proud of bro, I would not be bragging about those lack of accomplishments.  
 
P. Rez

Getting desperate Pat? Listening to 700 and continuing lies is quite silly. I never filed any cards for fleet service EVER.  I did file cards for US AIRWAYS ticket cunter but they were unrepresented and there was no other union that intervened. 
If you look at the NMB records, the only union that filed cards short and got in the way of another union was the IAM in 1998 when they actually filed cards for Upstairs to block the CWA but the CWA intervened and had enough support to stay on the ballot.  Something that 700 and the IAM failed to do.
 
At  AirTran, when I started the campaign, part of the strategy was to file the cards to secure list so we knew what the group consisted of and where they all were and to establish legal groundwork for eliminating certain work groups. That filing accomplished all of those things and was quite successful when you see how my team won that campaign, the first by the IAM in decades.  We actually organized AirTran in record timing and did so with a $267,000 budget.  Damn straight I'm proud of that team!  Well, um, actually, Delaney was quite proud of the organizing team as well, and he mentioned them by name,  Kindly review the messenger magazine spring 2011.  I provided an attached link to the official IAM webpage here: http://iam141.org/archives/032911.html#1
 
Hopefully, the link will still work and you guys will not remove it.  As it shows the historical account of my work and the work of my team, as told by Rich Delaney.
 
Both Delaney and Atkinson praised the campaign and you can reference your messenger 'spring 2011' edition to see the thanks myself and the team received from Delaney.  Atkinson texted me "Thanks, this will help us at United as well".  Kindly review the Atlanta Constitution and you might find my comments or my key Atlanta organizer  

 

[Tim Nelson]

You see Tim. Your past history will always come back to haunt you until you learn to take ownership of it. You made horrible decisions in your past that affected a great many people and that is well documented here on the net. What you need to do to move forward from it is confess your sins in a sort of way. Purge your demons and admit your failings.

We all are subject to failings through our lives. The strong ones though will let them shape the character they have moving forward rather than shunning and running from them.

My past history has solidified me. I've accomplished a lot, working as a team member, and also fighting the International union to secure voting rights by winning a federal case for 300,000 members.  Relentless, fearless, 24/7 is what I do. Am I perfect? Well, no. My personality does piss off some folks and God sure does have some work to do with me on that. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Prez, did you catch that.  Delaney is proud of me and my team. Here it is again buddy, http://iam141.org/archives/032911.html#1
 
Hopefully Lehive leaves the link up.
 
Delaney thanks my success and teamwork!  This should squash all the lies of Prez.