2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

tim,in 2008, canoli was ripe to get the boot, between UA and US he made himself the perfect target and he deserved it, he lost touch with the members. Lets also not forget that in 2008 tim, you convinced the system to reject T/A1 and subsequently the membership settled on LESS, in part because of your campaigning against T/A1, do not deny this. So you have a hand in this POS agreement also now don't you? And it is not the EXACT same leadership today as it was in 2008, as you like to imply now is it, so stop trying to spin it. Are you just bitter because 70% of UA/CO folks ignored you about their T/A? And out of those 70%, at least half to 3/4 knew full well what they were voting for. Just stop already, you had a very good network in place to campaign against the UA T/A, and many were informed, yet voted in favor. It was not just RDU and you know this. You gave it a good try to educate them, and the chose to ignore what you were saying and grabbed the cash. Has to sting a little, now you are preying on them to get you elected to a position that, IMO, you, artie, and carl have no business holding.

PJ
you have no idea what you are talking about. Amazingly you ascribe full credit for me shutting down contracts and casting out leaders all by myself. Dont get me wrong, ta1 and ta2 were both terrible at usair and united, and the present leadership has only made a negative difference. Again, please show me any contract over the last 6 years on their dime that wasnt both appalling and embarassing?

 

[pjirish317]

just giving credit where credit is due. You informed the "masses" on T/A 1, it was voted down. You again informed the "masses" with T/A 2 and we took less. You wer a big part of it tim. You did the same at UA, informed them about T/A 1, voted down, T/A 2, voted in. History repeats itself, just with a different airline. The credit you get is you can stir up people to get them engaged, for better or worse. In 2008, the it was the right attitude climate at both UA and US for a change and canoli and his merry band of misfits were the target. You like to talk about the "father knows best" type of unionism you imply is being practiced by the current leadership, yet you are doing the same thing. You know what is best for us, and we should just blindly follow youo. Times have changed tim, and people have wised up to your antics. you like to spout off about nominations to make it seem as if your ticked won them in a landslide. When in actuality, very few showed up to vote in the nominations. take PHX and RDU. out of 1000+ employees in the PHX local, 50 showed up to the nominations. Doesnt really speak for all of PHX now does it, yet you inply that PHX "overwhelmingly" voted in favor for change. Nice spin. RDU local same. Maybe 7 people were at the nominations, out of the maybe 200 or so that can vote. Sure your slate won, but it doesnt tell the whole story. I'm sure that is prevelant with all the nominations, for both sides. Your penchant for not telling the whole story to suit your needs is very telling tim. I seriously hope you get crushed in june.

 

[Tim Nelson]

just giving credit where credit is due. You informed the "masses" on T/A 1, it was voted down. You again informed the "masses" with T/A 2 and we took less. You wer a big part of it tim. You did the same at UA, informed them about T/A 1, voted down, T/A 2, voted in. History repeats itself, just with a different airline. The credit you get is you can stir up people to get them engaged, for better or worse. In 2008, the it was the right attitude climate at both UA and US for a change and canoli and his merry band of misfits were the target. You like to talk about the "father knows best" type of unionism you imply is being practiced by the current leadership, yet you are doing the same thing. You know what is best for us, and we should just blindly follow youo. Times have changed tim, and people have wised up to your antics. you like to spout off about nominations to make it seem as if your ticked won them in a landslide. When in actuality, very few showed up to vote in the nominations. take PHX and RDU. out of 1000+ employees in the PHX local, 50 showed up to the nominations. Doesnt really speak for all of PHX now does it, yet you inply that PHX "overwhelmingly" voted in favor for change. Nice spin. RDU local same. Maybe 7 people were at the nominations, out of the maybe 200 or so that can vote. Sure your slate won, but it doesnt tell the whole story. I'm sure that is prevelant with all the nominations, for both sides. Your penchant for not telling the whole story to suit your needs is very telling tim. I seriously hope you get crushed in june.

i appreciate that PJ. It gives me a great challenge to show you the difference between poor representation and great representation. I think ill be able to clean up this awful mess and even help you and your station secure real work protections. My goal is to bust my ass for everyone including you and roabilly so much that we will be able to have a beer together in a few years.

 

[pjirish317]

Again, "I can clean up this mess", not, we can move forward together and clean up this mess. It's not all about you tim. Nothing about anybody else in your statement. Just you and you alone as it implies. You simply cannot do it alone, yet you make it seem that that you can. June can't get here fast enough so I can decide if I actually want to work with you or not, should you get elected. I seriously that does not happen. I'm leaning towards not that's for sure. I don't want to have to deal with your blame game when you can't accomplish what you say you can. It wont ever be your fault. And about that beer, that bridge was burnt and can never be rebuilt.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Tim always has & always will be for himself.
 
Harry

 

[700UW]

Couldnt agree more Harry.
 
Just think if you guys were under TA1, wages, vacation, sick time etc... would have snapped back by now.

 

[737823]

Couldnt agree more Harry.
 
Just think if you guys were under TA1, wages, vacation, sick time etc... would have snapped back by now.

Then explain why Tim spent his own time and money educating the UA membership about the dire implications of the (then) T/A? Tim was spot on about UA and people are just realizing it, he gained credibility. Are your boys John Carr, Steve Miller, and Mike Fairbanks in it for themselves? Do they work under the agreement? Tim does.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Again, "I can clean up this mess", not, we can move forward together and clean up this mess. It's not all about you tim. Nothing about anybody else in your statement. Just you and you alone as it implies. You simply cannot do it alone, yet you make it seem that that you can. June can't get here fast enough so I can decide if I actually want to work with you or not, should you get elected. I seriously that does not happen. I'm leaning towards not that's for sure. I don't want to have to deal with your blame game when you can't accomplish what you say you can. It wont ever be your fault. And about that beer, that bridge was burnt and can never be rebuilt.

me and u disagree partner. It is a big mess that needs cleaning ip and that is part of moving forward.just because u dont see the toxic mess doesnt mean it is there

 

[psa8979]

AF Readers and Posters less then 30 % of the IAM/LCC/ FS Membership cares or will vote for D-141 E-Board Leadership. 100 % FS Members want to know if there is a TA CBA that is on the table that will be voted on ? Rumor is there is and the DEVIL will be in the details . My bet is what ever has been improved, changed , or remains the same in the TA on the table now to be finalized likely in DFW on 5/19 it will pass. Just like WE saw happen at UA/CO the Majority of Members in the HUBS and FOCUS cities will vote yes for the $$$ . My guess is 10X7=70 flts. combined LCC/AAL SCOPE to stay for the $$$. Good luck to ALL !

 

[700UW]

He did it for votes and to seek power, yet the UA TA passed by 70%.

 

[T5towbar]

Yes we can.  The leadership brought a terrible contract back.  And the leadership sent out an anti union letter stating that it was the best it could do and that congress would impose a contract if TA2 didn't pass. Basically said the union was powerless. Also, in the explanation meetings, they flat out lied about the commitment language, timetables, and many other things.  I don't blame the membership for what it knew about the contract as they asked very specific questions about the language and were lied to.   Even so, it was appalling for any labor man or woman to bring back the contract.  Never mind to say it was monumental.   What the leadership did was wrong, you don't agree?

TA 1 was a bad deal and it was overwhelmingly shot down.

TA 2 added more bonus money (IMHO to appease sCO members). The meat of the contract was basically TA 1.
When the roadshows happened, the District expressly told members that if they voted the TA in; effective on DOS, no one would be reduced in status. The "protection dates" was supposed to help in this. They also said that places would be opening up for members to move to if stations would be closed. But some (of the thinking members especially in my hub) was skeptical because of the deal about giving up our cargo. Some of our people could not could not get placed because they didn't have enough seniority to hold anything and they were furloughed. Also was the people that were downgraded as well. They also said that those people would try to get their FT back upon signing.

Bottom line, the money was appealing to a lot of people. People were tired of waiting. Rumors had it that TA 3 would be worse and more would be cut. The District wanted those new members on the sCO Passenger Service side. A combination of self serving members and a District who wanted those new duespayers.
This is how I see it from my perspective.

 

[Tim Nelson]

TA 1 was a bad deal and it was overwhelmingly shot down.TA 2 added more bonus money (IMHO to appease sCO members). The meat of the contract was basically TA 1.When the roadshows happened, the District expressly told members that if they voted the TA in; effective on DOS, no one would be reduced in status. The "protection dates" was supposed to help in this. They also said that places would be opening up for members to move to if stations would be closed. But some (of the thinking members especially in my hub) was skeptical because of the deal about giving up our cargo. Some of our people could not could not get placed because they didn't have enough seniority to hold anything and they were furloughed. Also was the people that were downgraded as well. They also said that those people would try to get their FT back upon signing.Bottom line, the money was appealing to a lot of people. People were tired of waiting. Rumors had it that TA 3 would be worse and more would be cut. The District wanted those new members on the sCO Passenger Service side. A combination of self serving members and a District who wanted those new duespayers.This is how I see it from my perspective.

i cant deny that brother

 

[Tim Nelson]

Couldnt agree more Harry.
 
Just think if you guys were under TA1, wages, vacation, sick time etc... would have snapped back by now.

Why would anyone have approved ta1 which didnt have that grace period for the 60 day seniority cleansing. Seniority is the most sacred thing. Ta1 @ ta2 sucked. Plus the iam felt strongly about the coc and both districts teamed up. Are you saying higgonbotham misled folks?

 

[Ramp Rogue]

 Seniority is the most sacred thing. 

We will never be able to truly accomplish anything until the iam realizes this, and does something to correct it.

 

[robbedagain]

psa,  if there is an agreement  all I have to say is  every one of the folks better read every line bec the devil is in the details....    if scope is reduced or similar to UA  ill be one of the many that will shoot it down....  SCOPE has GOT TO BE THE #1 thing