2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[IAM Member Here]

 
I know I am going to start a whole new rash of "Jester is really Tim" comments, but maybe I am missing something... given United FSAs are a much larger group than US, and I understand both groups will be voting in the same election, does anyone realistically think any US 5 candidate ticket would sweep the election for the 5 open positions?  Am I missing something or are my assumptions wrong? 
 
It seems like a politically savy move to recognize a US sweep to be highly unlikely given the numbers, and to obtain a simple majority would be huge victory, especially if its leader (Tim) so strongly desires to be elected.  In many ways, it is very much like a coalition government formed as found through most of the democratic governments around the world.  In this case we have the United candidates, correct?  We have IAM Rising (are they all US candidates?) and we have Tim's mixed group?  Is that the dynamics or are their other parties, as I am not in-tune with all the politcal groupings.  This deal making are all part of the political process in democratic government outside of the duopoly environment of the American system.  To simply say, it is "selling out" the US members suggest we ignore the reality of the UA voters who are a sizable majority of the electorate.  Maybe we need to change the rules as to who can vote in what elections, but that's not the situation of this coming election.
 
Also I agree with Tim... updates with hefty doses of campaigning should be avoided, even though I can understand the temptation.  Might I suggest a better approach would be urge the members to be invovled in the election process as part of the solidarity and to consider the carefully candidates and their qualifications (implication being that Charlie Brown is genius and Tim sucks).

I'd jump in as well but then both of us would be accused of being Tim after they would hear what I would have had to say.  Show me the money and all bets are off.  It better be at least what parker gave American and I believe that is $23.

 

[IAM Member Here]

lol.  He's done.  He ruined our craft enough.  I tried to be nice to Canale and told him to leave with dignity and collect his IAM watch as he retires. I think Mr Delaney ought to consider the same thing and think about his family, etc.  Unfortunately, for half his team, his past actions against the members, and the team he helped to create against him, won't fair to well in June imo.  Time will tell but I think it's time for the bull shitters to be shown the door.  6 years of nothingness other than blowing up this craft and Vegas parties is enough.

I read you say that the union guys are agreeing to less than $23 as they promised and that the contract would move up to American pay later on.  Ok, you got my attention so how do you know that?  Wouldn't they get voted out if they brought that back?  By the way I'm voting for you because we need change but I think usair entire will vote for you if what you say is confirmed next week with another weak ta.

 

[P. REZ]

 
I know I am going to start a whole new rash of "Jester is really Tim" comments, but maybe I am missing something... given United FSAs are a much larger group than US, and I understand both groups will be voting in the same election, does anyone realistically think any US 5 candidate ticket would sweep the election for the 5 open positions?  Am I missing something or are my assumptions wrong? 
 
It seems like a politically savy move to recognize a US sweep to be highly unlikely given the numbers, and to obtain a simple majority would be huge victory, especially if its leader (Tim) so strongly desires to be elected.  In many ways, it is very much like a coalition government formed as found through most of the democratic governments around the world.  In this case we have the United candidates, correct?  We have IAM Rising (are they all US candidates?) and we have Tim's mixed group?  Is that the dynamics or are their other parties, as I am not in-tune with all the politcal groupings.  This deal making are all part of the political process in democratic government outside of the duopoly environment of the American system.  To simply say, it is "selling out" the US members suggest we ignore the reality of the UA voters who are a sizable majority of the electorate.  Maybe we need to change the rules as to who can vote in what elections, but that's not the situation of this coming election.
 
Also I agree with Tim... updates with hefty doses of campaigning should be avoided, even though I can understand the temptation.  Might I suggest a better approach would be urge the members to be invovled in the election process as part of the solidarity and to consider the carefully candidates and their qualifications (implication being that Charlie Brown is genius and Tim sucks).

Jester,
 
There are 20 positions open for this upcoming election and Tim knew that we were running 5 US spots and he either sold the US members out or could not negotiate 5 for his ticket. He then turns around and says he is our almighty savior in every post. US members, if his ticket wins will have less representation. Grievances, including Arbitrations and Mediations will get backed up and stations will get zero or very few visits. If you notice, Tim will not answer me and avoids the comments. I think he sold US members out to try to get his position.
 
P. Rez  

 

[Tim Nelson]

Jester,
 
There are 20 positions open for this upcoming election and Tim knew that we were running 5 US spots and he either sold the US members out or could not negotiate 5 for his ticket. He then turns around and says he is our almighty savior in every post. US members, if his ticket wins will have less representation. Grievances, including Arbitrations and Mediations will get backed up and stations will get zero or very few visits. If you notice, Tim will not answer me and avoids the comments. I think he sold US members out to try to get his position.
 
P. Rez

the only one who sold usair out was you when you dimed out the phl 22.
Grandstanding znd exploiting your personal situation so that the twu raid could be extended was very sad as the iam was representing the phl 22.

 

[IAM Member Here]

Jester,
 
There are 20 positions open for this upcoming election and Tim knew that we were running 5 US spots and he either sold the US members out or could not negotiate 5 for his ticket. He then turns around and says he is our almighty savior in every post. US members, if his ticket wins will have less representation. Grievances, including Arbitrations and Mediations will get backed up and stations will get zero or very few visits. If you notice, Tim will not answer me and avoids the comments. I think he sold US members out to try to get his position.
 
P. Rez  

No disrespect to any of you running for office but can we get back on the talk about a ta?  Tim says our ta will have a wage rate less than American but somehow merge into American in 2015.  Is that true?   For me health care is also very important so has any language changed regarding our health care? 

 

[IAM Member Here]

I'll tell you what I will do though just to be fair since you say I have offended some Dca people. On this weeks briefing I will put a statement in there explaining this is a personal email that can be about anything pertaining to fleet service and not just a negotiations update. ( even though I have already explained this to them). And if I have offended anyone, they can let me know and I will gladly take them off the email briefing. I'll be glad to come back on here and let you and everyone else know just how many people request to be taken off. Is that fair??

I wouldn't want my shop guy campaigning for his election at the same time of updating me on negotiations.  my .02

 

[Tim Nelson]

I know I am going to start a whole new rash of "Jester is really Tim" comments, but maybe I am missing something... given United FSAs are a much larger group than US, and I understand both groups will be voting in the same election, does anyone realistically think any US 5 candidate ticket would sweep the election for the 5 open positions?  Am I missing something or are my assumptions wrong? 
 
It seems like a politically savy move to recognize a US sweep to be highly unlikely given the numbers, and to obtain a simple majority would be huge victory, especially if its leader (Tim) so strongly desires to be elected.  In many ways, it is very much like a coalition government formed as found through most of the democratic governments around the world.  In this case we have the United candidates, correct?  We have IAM Rising (are they all US candidates?) and we have Tim's mixed group?  Is that the dynamics or are their other parties, as I am not in-tune with all the politcal groupings.  This deal making are all part of the political process in democratic government outside of the duopoly environment of the American system.  To simply say, it is "selling out" the US members suggest we ignore the reality of the UA voters who are a sizable majority of the electorate.  Maybe we need to change the rules as to who can vote in what elections, but that's not the situation of this coming election.
 
Also I agree with Tim... updates with hefty doses of campaigning should be avoided, even though I can understand the temptation.  Might I suggest a better approach would be urge the members to be invovled in the election process as part of the solidarity and to consider carefully the candidates and their qualifications (implication being that Charlie Brown is genius and Tim sucks).

there are only two tickets. Both tickets have the same amount of usairways agcs, which are full time.

Since they havent anything to show in their campaign, they have had no choice but to make this about "Get Timmy". Thus, when i was added to the unifiedforchange ballot, i chose to support a candidate that is going to law school over charlie brown. Yes he is from united and he is from a small station but i could not support charlie brown due to him endorsing the united contract.

At any rate, they like ascribing the totality of the whole slate to me. I support my whole slate but when i was added, most of the other spots were already filled. That said, i think they did a great job creating the slate.

 

[charlie Brown]

I wouldn't want my shop guy campaigning for his election at the same time of updating me on negotiations.  my .02

Duly noted. If you are on my email briefing. You can PM me if you like and I will be glad to take you off. Like I have said before. I was merely answering questions from several people that had emailed and asked.

 

[700UW]

Tim you are a blatant liar, the cops were called in PHL and people ended up in the hospital, so how did Pat dime them out when he wasn't even there, I already posted the truth and you are a damn liar.

 

[cltrat]

iI think it's safe to say If and I say If till I see an agreement on paper there's not an AA match it's DOA pretty much at any station. The %thru the years is pretty important to me and a lot of others here in CLT , that being said it's an "If" also till a paper comes out.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'll tell you what I will do though just to be fair since you say I have offended some Dca people. On this weeks briefing I will put a statement in there explaining this is a personal email that can be about anything pertaining to fleet service and not just a negotiations update. ( even though I have already explained this to them). And if I have offended anyone, they can let me know and I will gladly take them off the email briefing. I'll be glad to come back on here and let you and everyone else know just how many people request to be taken off. Is that fair??

Just do your job.  Nobody is going to request to be taken off of your email list, why would they?  What's fair is for you to follow the laws of this country.

 

[mike33]

No disrespect to any of you running for office but can we get back on the talk about a ta?  Tim says our ta will have a wage rate less than American but somehow merge into American in 2015.  Is that true?   For me health care is also very important so has any language changed regarding our health care? 

Has Tim seen any TA?.....Is there a TA before the NC attends meetings next week?...If there is, is it cut in stone and no need for any further negotiations on the 19th?  You see what is going on here?....There is no TA until there is a TA....Period....  Don't be hoodwinked until the blinkers come off and there is a TA is front of you.

 

[700UW]

When are some of you going to realize tim is in it for himself?

He has been on a power trip for over 20 years, he has been removed from office and fired from the district before, go back and read how I posted his history, go ask him how is he going to get everything accomplished he promises. He can't he will say and do anything to get elected, wake up people!

 

[Tim Nelson]

I know how you got the email. I'm not stupid. And I don't think I've ever called you stupid. I think you have some issues, but definitely not stupid. If your guy has all the pull in DC, then you have nothing to worry about do ya? Like I said, I know many people in DC that are appreciative of the emails they get. Nobody forces them to sign up. It's something they want to do. And I'm fully aware that I have enemies. I don't pretend I don't. As far as the committee guy goes. Let's just say, I know he would do anything to get him or his wife a position, that includes jumping on board with a guy that he has personally told me he can't stand. But he's the one that has to swallow all his pride, maybe it'll be worth it to him. But maybe not!! We shall see.

You know how I got those emails?  I don't have any "My Guy" in DCA but are you going to exclude who you call "My Guy" off that list now or approach him and harass him or blacklist him?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Has Tim seen any TA?.....Is there a TA before the NC attends meetings next week?...If there is, is it cut in stone and no need for any further negotiations on the 19th?  You see what is going on here?....There is no TA until there is a TA....Period....  Don't be hoodwinked until the blinkers come off and there is a TA is front of you.

Oh but you will see. It is a mess.  Not even $23 to start.