2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

If elected I foresee two years of in house fighting, back stabbing and nothing getting accomplished. You never did answer a question I posed earlier. What happens if Delaney doesn't retire? That would make him your boss again. You may be the first to be fired twice at the District level.

That is incorrect again, sir.  Delaney is nobody's boss.  He only assigns AGC's and I will be diligent wherever he assigns me to. I'll give the proper reports as well. 
Kindly review the bylaws, this is a eboard led district, sir. 
 
And, the eboard, hopefully, will be majority supported by change.  Thankfully, your view of a dictator with a bunch of bobbleheads is incorrect, sir.   Don't get me wrong, that is exactly what we have now, a bunch of "My life for you Rich".   But don't let that confuse you with this silly nonsense continuing. In June,  the real BOSS will speak, reckoning day and I believe it's going to say "You're Fired!" to the deadweight Vegas partyers we have now. 
 
As far as firing me.  Not sure what you are saying but he fired me as an employee who was appointed, which he can, and he is free to find a group of people who will run with him in 2 years if he wants to get his ass handed to him.   But he can't fire an elected official who is sworn in by the members and doing his job.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
For the last time. This is a personal email that I have built for the membership. I told you, if you don't like what's on it, then don't read it. I don't really let people dictate to me what I can say and can't say. And as far as any T/A goes. I think you should go back and read some of your past post. You change and flop on what we should get or what we will get so much, I don't even think you remember what all you have said. If anyone has followed you, then your credibility sucks. You need to stand firm on a issue even if your proven wrong. I think you have a issue of thinking your right about everything. Nobody is right all the time.If you plan on ever representing the membership in negotiations or as AGC, then be credible, even if your not right all the time. You spin things so much, no one will ever be able to know what you mean.The company would eat you alive as much as you change colors.

Charlie Brown, you don't have any comprehension about the LMRDA rights of candidates and members.  The fact that you emailed that with your personal email address has absolutely nothing at all to do with this. What is significant, and very much so, is the email list you used, how you addressed it as VP, and that it is the same list that you commonly use for negotiation updates.  The same list, plus other list, that I asked for and have rights to as a bona fide candidate but your group denied me access.   Besides, LMRDA rights of candidates that you trampled on either ignorantly or intentionally, I still think it is in poor taste to address the DCA members with the 'oh by the way, vote for me because I'm the best choice".   Desperate signs indeed.
 
At any rate, Carry on with your self pontificating, sir.

 

[700UW]

Rich Delaney would certainly be your boss.
 
PDGC=President and DIRECTING General Chair.
 
And you would also answer to Sito, as the Grand Lodge pays half the AGC's salary.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Rich Delaney would certainly be your boss.
 
PDGC=President and DIRECTING General Chair.
 
And you would also answer to Sito, as the Grand Lodge pays half the AGC's salary.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way!

Sito has authority above the District and has powers vested in him, but this district runs by an eboard. Certainly, Sito can make decisions against any District or any sitting officer.
 
Sito would definitely fit as a boss with his authority.  But below him,  the district is run by an eboard.  Here are the bylaws:
 
 All executive and judicial powers of the District Lodge shall be vested in the District Lodge Executive Board except those spelled out as duties of the Judiciary Committee. whenever practical, the Vice Chairmen of the District Lodge shall act as members of the System Board of Adjustment.
The District Lodge Executive Board shall have the power to require reports from any Officers, or General Chairmen, or Local Lodge Committeemen of the District Lodge or a Local Lodge, or to remove such Officers or General Chairmen or Local Lodge Committeemen as provided for in the IAM Constitution.
(c) Meetings of the District Lodge Executive Board shall be called by the President/Directing General Chairman from time to time as the affairs of the District Lodge require consideration, and meetings must be called by him upon request of a majority of the Officers composing the District Lodge Executive Board.
(d) when such vacancies occur in the District Lodge elective Officers or General Chairmen or when the District Lodge Executive Board determines that the number of Assistant General Chairmen should be increased, the District Lodge Executive Board shall appoint a qualified member of the District Lodge to fill the office in question. when such vacancies are filled, the acting Officers or General Chairmen will hold office or position until such time as a special or regular election is held, which period shall not exceed twenty-four (24) months.
 
So,  the entire eboard is the boss over any AGC since that is where the authority lies.  The President is responsible for making assignments.
 

 

[charlie Brown]

Charlie Brown, you don't have any comprehension about the LMRDA rights of candidates and members.  The fact that you emailed that with your personal email address has absolutely nothing at all to do with this. What is significant, and very much so, is the email list you used, how you addressed it as VP, and that it is the same list that you commonly use for negotiation updates.  The same list, plus other list, that I asked for and have rights to as a bona fide candidate but your group denied me access.   Besides, LMRDA rights of candidates that you trampled on either ignorantly or intentionally, I still think it is in poor taste to address the DCA members with the 'oh by the way, vote for me because I'm the best choice".   Desperate signs indeed.
 
At any rate, Carry on with your self pontificating, sir.

Well after several hours of bitching about it. I finally get the " carry on " from you! Thank you sooo much. Sounds to me that your getting all your protest in line already. Why would you be doing that if your so sure your going to win? And since it's a personal email, many of those people would choose for you not to have their email. I have even promised several people I would BCC all the addresses so they don't go out to everyone. So sorry, not breaking my word on that and giving out their emails. But thanks for the Carry ON. I feel so much better now that I have your approval.

 

[700UW]

Seems you are not correct again, you dont even know your own district's bylaws?
 

 
ARTICLE IX - DUTIES OF OFFICERS
Section 1. (a) The President/Directing General Chairman of the District Lodge shall attend all meetings of the District Lodge and shall have the power to call special meetings of the Executive Board.  He or his designated representative shall investigate any grievance that shall arise and endeavor to adjust same. He shall advise and counsel the membership and use his best efforts to organize workers within a jurisdiction assigned by the General Vice President. He shall report monthly to the membership all matters of interest relating to his office and perform all other duties and obligations pertaining to his office. He shall represent the District Lodge when attending meetings called by the Grand Lodge or by the AFL-CIO, which are of interest to the Air Transport Industry.
 
He shall assign and direct the activities of the duly-elected General Chairmen, including their respective domiciles.
 
He shall be responsible for the supervision and maintenance of the District Lodge office(s) as may be established. He shall enforce the Constitution of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers and decide all questions of order and usage according to the provision of these bylaws.
 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well after several hours of bitching about it. I finally get the " carry on " from you! Thank you sooo much. Sounds to me that your getting all your protest in line already. Why would you be doing that if your so sure your going to win? And since it's a personal email, many of those people would choose for you not to have their email. I have even promised several people I would BCC all the addresses so they don't go out to everyone. So sorry, not breaking my word on that and giving out their emails. But thanks for the Carry ON. I feel so much better now that I have your approval.

I think you should be more considerate to the members you represent.  You know, Charlie Brown, you are good at saying that I suck and that members aren't voting for me, but did you ever stop to think that I got that email because you offended members in DCA who were voting for me and against you?  They weren't too thrilled with having their union rep give them a negotiation update and then veer off into a self absorbed 'vote for me because I'm the best choice'  
 
Not everyone in Charlotte likes you either. Cripes, you got fellow committee person who couldn't endorse you.  I have no problem with you voicing your opinion that you are the best, but try separating politics from negotiation updates to the members. 

 

[mike33]

Silly indeed.
At any rate, try keeping politics and "Please vote for me because I'm the right choice" out of your union updates.  Self pontification is always in poor taste when giving negotiation updates.
 
And please don't recommend an acceptance with that nasty offer that is presently on the table. You guys should be ashamed of yourself settling on less than $23 and not grandfathering all current work. 

 I looked at all the post and not once did i see any Quote that you posted where anyone, not only CB but anyone, say " Please vote for me or " i'm the right choice"...... If you are going to do some sort of" correlating" into "meaning"  then your words  come closer than anyones. You are waaaay to egotistical to be a leader for the US work group. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Seems you are not correct again, you dont even know your own district's bylaws?
 

Huh?  What you are doing is getting job functions mixed up with executive authority.  All executive authority is vested in the eboard.  In fact, I made it easy for you and pasted that bylaw.  Cripes, even Delaney has to report to the eboard.  Read the bylaws 700, you might learn something.

 

[charlie Brown]

I think you should be more considerate to the members you represent.  You know, Charlie Brown, you are good at saying that I suck and that members aren't voting for me, but did you ever stop to think that I got that email because you offended members in DCA who were voting for me and against you?  They weren't too thrilled with having their union rep give them a negotiation update and then veer off into a self absorbed 'vote for me because I'm the best choice'  
 
Not everyone in Charlotte likes you either. Cripes, you got fellow committee person who couldn't endorse you.  I have no problem with you voicing your opinion that you are the best, but try separating politics from negotiation updates to the members.

I know how you got the email. I'm not stupid. And I don't think I've ever called you stupid. I think you have some issues, but definitely not stupid. If your guy has all the pull in DC, then you have nothing to worry about do ya? Like I said, I know many people in DC that are appreciative of the emails they get. Nobody forces them to sign up. It's something they want to do. And I'm fully aware that I have enemies. I don't pretend I don't. As far as the committee guy goes. Let's just say, I know he would do anything to get him or his wife a position, that includes jumping on board with a guy that he has personally told me he can't stand. But he's the one that has to swallow all his pride, maybe it'll be worth it to him. But maybe not!! We shall see.

 

[Tim Nelson]

 I looked at all the post and not once did i see any Quote that you posted where anyone, not only CB but anyone, say " Please vote for me or " i'm the right choice"...... If you are going to do some sort of" correlating" into "meaning"  then your words  come closer than anyones. You are waaaay to egotistical to be a leader for the US work group. 

    " DISTRICT 141 ELECTIONS: We have elections coming up this June for District officers. I will be running for VP again...there will be two tickets with candidates running. Our ticket that I ask you to support is called 141 Rising...  This isn't the time for change. I ask all of you to keep in touch with me, and vote the right way in June. Thanks"
 
Mike, what he did was self pontificating and wrong. It is wrong to use negotiation updates to tell members to vote for him.  Then he talks down to them and tells them to vote "The right way".   Now, either you are too blind or deluded to see this but I can assure you that his email deeply offended many members in DCA who want change.  How would you like getting an email updating you from the union rep about how negotiations is going but then the dude veers off and says vote for him and his team which is the right way to vote?  If it's a candidate that you like, you may not be so sensitive, however, if if were a candidate that you had no intentions of voting for then you would be offended. 
More than that, it is against the law. I know this 100%. 
 
At any rate, you don't see anything wrong with negotiation updates to our members from an officer who veers off into electioneering?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I know how you got the email. I'm not stupid. And I don't think I've ever called you stupid. I think you have some issues, but definitely not stupid. If your guy has all the pull in DC, then you have nothing to worry about do ya? Like I said, I know many people in DC that are appreciative of the emails they get. Nobody forces them to sign up. It's something they want to do. And I'm fully aware that I have enemies. I don't pretend I don't. As far as the committee guy goes. Let's just say, I know he would do anything to get him or his wife a position, that includes jumping on board with a guy that he has personally told me he can't stand. But he's the one that has to swallow all his pride, maybe it'll be worth it to him. But maybe not!! We shall see.

It's not about 'my guys' or 'who has DCA pull',  it's about checking you and asking you to cease using your position to electioneer when you give negotiation briefings.  It's wrong.  If you can't see that then you are more full blown than I thought.

 

[P. REZ]

Tim,
 
You are back, care to reply as to why you are our savior in joint talks but can't negotiate 5 US members on your ticket? I'm sure the US members would like to know why you couldn't get 5 US people on your ticket or are you selling US members out by only putting 3 US members on your ticket?
 
P. Rez 

 

[charlie Brown]

It's not about 'my guys' or 'who has DCA pull',  it's about checking you and asking you to cease using your position to electioneer when you give negotiation briefings.  It's wrong.  If you can't see that then you are more full blown than I thought.

No I don't. Not from a personal email. So feel free to call me " full blown".

 

[mike33]

    " DISTRICT 141 ELECTIONS: We have elections coming up this June for District officers. I will be running for VP again...there will be two tickets with candidates running. Our ticket that I ask you to support is called 141 Rising...  This isn't the time for change. I ask all of you to keep in touch with me, and vote the right way in June. Thanks"
 
Mike, what he did was self pontificating and wrong. It is wrong to use negotiation updates to tell members to vote for him.  Then he talks down to them and tells them to vote "The right way".   Now, either you are too blind or deluded to see this but I can assure you that his email deeply offended many members in DCA who want change.  How would you like getting an email updating you from the union rep about how negotiations is going but then the dude veers off and says vote for him and his team which is the right way to vote?  If it's a candidate that you like, you may not be so sensitive, however, if if were a candidate that you had no intentions of voting for then you would be offended. 
More than that, it is against the law. I know this 100%. 
 
At any rate, you don't see anything wrong with negotiation updates to our members from an officer who veers off into electioneering?

 Sorry tim, i didn't see that on the IAM141.Org website to classify it as a miss use of organizational information. Wasn't it in a personal email?????? I think maybe you are spinning again. 
 
  I think you should be called the master of deception because thats what you do best and many i talk to see thru that.