2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[BLUTO]

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[737823]

You really have to ask him that P.Rez?
 
He is only about himself, his politics and his never ending 20 year + quest for power he has never achieved.

 
Company boy, you were on a power quest, and keep boasting about your role on the concessionary negotiating committee.  I mean I could understand boasting about being on the NC if you brought back an industry leading agreement, but you delivered unprecedented concessions.
 
Josh

 

[ograc]

Third time is a charm. Let's compare grievance representation experience among the candidates, from both tickets, running for AGC. This issue continues to be skirted. Past experience representing grievances should be given full consideration when deciding who is best qualified for the position of AGC. 

 

[P. REZ]

I already told you that I was asked to be on the team. That said, I fully support how the team came about as it guaranteed the same full time spots as any other ticket to US AIRWAYS members.  I did decide to support AJ Lindell over Charlie Brown for the non full time spot since Lindell is a law student and I put extra weight on education when I can.  I think a big part of our negotiation problem is that we have members in there that are simply incapable of really grasping contractual language.  Doesn't mean they are all dumb arses, just means they lack the skill set to properly represent members in negotiations.  In short, it has been nothing more than disastrous and caused serious harm on our membership.
 
At any rate, are you suggesting that your team F the continental group since you only put on 2 of them?

Tim,
 
You are so full of s**t, you stated a long time ago that you were burying the hatchet with KA and putting a ticket together. 5 US spots are currently up for election in which 141 kept 5 US spots and did not screw the US membership. You knew that more votes were on UA and CO and screwed the membership by only putting 3 US spots on your ticket.
 
Or, you had no juice to get 5 US spots on your ticket. Which is it?
 
P. Rez   

 

[Tim Nelson]

 
Company boy, you were on a power quest, and keep boasting about your role on the concessionary negotiating committee.  I mean I could understand boasting about being on the NC if you brought back an industry leading agreement, but you delivered unprecedented concessions.
 
Josh

Josh,  he is the perfect example of someone who completely lacked any skill set whatsoever. He just listened to the reagonomics and was counseled by Carr, and he trusted them so  much that when the contract was signed, he didn't realize he contracted out his own job until after the ratification meetings were scheduled, and he reversed himself and voted no....but it was too late.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
You are so full of s**t, you stated a long time ago that you were burying the hatchet with KA and putting a ticket together. 5 US spots are currently up for election in which 141 kept 5 US spots and did not screw the US membership. You knew that more votes were on UA and CO and screwed the membership by only putting 3 US spots on your ticket.
 
Or, you had no juice to get 5 US spots on your ticket. Which is it?
 
P. Rez   

I'm sorry you were incorrect.  However, the only one screwing US AIRWAYS members is your team.  Tabling scope and signing off on less than $23 until next year is a joke.  And please, don't entertain that new language the company put in front of you last week that dabbled our health care. Let's get the show started Prez and let's see if you can get more than 5 votes from  US AIRWAYS candidates after the truth is known that you guys just been dicking around for 3 years and settling on less than $23 with no increase in scope.   And don't think that I don't know that management changed their proposal and asked to raise the bar on scope to the higher flight activity.  Thank God you guys haven't bit down hard on that one yet.  Until then, you can keep bull shitting everyone that you are going to increase scope and get $23.   Same thing at United....make me the bad guy, but then after all the bull shitters are found out, people realize how your team just are a bunch of shitters like they have always been. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Third time is a charm. Let's compare grievance representation experience among the candidates, from both tickets, running for AGC. This issue continues to be skirted. Past experience representing grievances should be given full consideration when deciding who is best qualified for the position of AGC. 

You can have the best grievance person representing you on the planet but if you continue to 'short change' yourself and our membership with reps who have no idea how to negotiate and have a history of blowing up contracts and not paying attention to language, insomuch as there is more gray in their contracts than what is on a USS battleship then it really won't matter about grievances because grievances are only as strong as the language.  So your argument is a strawman argument.  That said, they are terrible at grievances as well since they sign mutual agreements with Hemmingway to table time limits.  Gill Simmons just pissed all over PHL again by tossing out and withdrawing dozens of more grievances without anyones consent and without one closeout letter.  You, partner, are destroying fleet service by arguing for a bunch of reps who have done nothing but destroy fleet service.  You, partner, have NOTHING you can show that your boys did in 6 years, yet you support them because they got you an extra Cinderealla year last month in the ta that bridges your station for 2 years into your retirement.  And that's really what we are talking about.  Don't get me wrong, everyone votes for a personal reason but less than two years ago, you wanted to toss these guys out as well.  Why, because you were on a ballot. 
 
Take a good look at the pic below, by clicking the link,  because that is all that we have, and all that we will ever get with reps who have no skill set on language.  You see that pic?  Look at all the gray on that Battleship.  Look again.  Ok, now read your contract and the United contract and you will see that there is more gray in your contract than that ship.
 
Battleship vs Contract....Which one has more gray?
 
 

 

[cltrat]

if there's not a 23hr AA match and no 2015 delay  even presenting it for a vote would be a colossal waste of time. Hard to believe they couldn't see that so I'll wait and see

 

[700UW]

The butt buddies liars club strikes again:

 
Company boy, you were on a power quest, and keep boasting about your role on the concessionary negotiating committee.  I mean I could understand boasting about being on the NC if you brought back an industry leading agreement, but you delivered unprecedented concessions.
 
Josh

Were you born a pathological liar or did you grow into it?
 
We never agreed to a contract with US Airways during bankruptcy part 2, our CBA was abrogated, so keep up the lies and deceit, you are a master of misinformation and a fraud once again.
 
Just because you keep repeating a lie over and over and over it doesnt make it the truth.
 
You have been refuted numerous times, come up with some new and factual information.
 

Josh,  he is the perfect example of someone who completely lacked any skill set whatsoever. He just listened to the reagonomics and was counseled by Carr, and he trusted them so  much that when the contract was signed, he didn't realize he contracted out his own job until after the ratification meetings were scheduled, and he reversed himself and voted no....but it was too late.

Now where do I start with your lies?
 
Once again I was an officer of the lodge before John Carr was involved, Omer Burdette, Will Cashion and myself help mentor Carr.
 
Second, Carr was all ready gone from the local and at the international in the communications department, he wasnt involved at US nor counseled me on anything.
 
Third, we didnt agree to a CBA with US during the second bankruptcy and our CBA was abrogated, and I wasnt Utility when I left US, I was a stock clerk, so explain to the board for the 20th time your lies.
 
I ran the meeting in ATL and assisted in CLT, the NC never gave a recommendation either way, I campaigned for a rejection and I voted no.
 
So how many times are you going to lie about things tim?
 
You are not even smart enough to tell the truth and you are running for AGC, you a liar and be proven over and over, you are not smart enough to realize people see you for who you are, and your sabotage your own campaign with your lies.

 

[charlie Brown]

Just to correctly inform everyone on here. Because reading some post seems like a few people wants everyone to think AA is making 23.00 hr. That's not correct. AA is currently at 22.53. And in September they will go to 23.00.

 

[Tim Nelson]

if there's not a 23hr AA match and no 2015 delay  even presenting it for a vote would be a colossal waste of time. Hard to believe they couldn't see that so I'll wait and see

In a way, I'm hoping they bring it out and recommend acceptance just so the members can see all the bull shitting they did over 3 years talking real big about "Strike",  "Release",   "Gonna fight for a leading industry contract"   hoopla.
 
Actually, American will be at $23.30 in less than 4 months. That's $23 plus .30 longevity.   The wages that the negotiation team tendered are a sliding scale, with just a tiny bump for 2012 which wipes out any big retro check. 2013 wasn't much better.   The only thing they tabled that mirrors AMR is the lead pay which is $1.50.  AH is still toying with them over upping the flight activity threashold. I believe it's 12 flights a day to keep the work but they haven't agreed to it and that is the holdup. But they shelved grandfathering all current work, and put the ole band aid Cindy date that patches things up for two years.   With AH holding out for a higher flight threashold, let's hope they don't bargain that away just to have ole AH give them $23.  A mess indeed but I can't say I'm shocked.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Just to correctly inform everyone on here. Because reading some post seems like a few people wants everyone to think AA is making 23.00 hr. That's not correct. AA is currently at 22.53. And in September they will go to 23.00.

That is incorrect sir. AMR is making compensation of $22. 83 now, but In September [count'em less than 4 months], their compensation goes to $23.30 with the .30 longevity.  
 
Nonetheless, that is a very low wage due to being negotiated in bankruptcy.  I was hoping that if you guys 'bit' on $23.30, that it would mean that you increased scope by either lowering the threshold below 8 flights a day to keep work, or grandfathering in non hubs that we currently enjoy.  And the sliding scale is a joke along with the back end time frame.  Sad indeed that you guys only know how to do band aid negotiations with Cindy dates. And please don't accept management's increase of the scope threshold. Don't be stupid.

 

[700UW]

Its simply amazing or stupid that all of you on here just take Tim's words as the gospel.
 
He isnt an IAM rep, he isnt on the NC, yet many of you on here believe what he is posting.
 
Do you know the meaning of speculation and credibility?

 

[charlie Brown]

That is incorrect sir. AMR is making compensation of $22. 83 now, but In September [count'em less than 4 months], their compensation goes to $23.30 with the .30 longevity.  
 
Nonetheless, that is a very low wage due to being negotiated in bankruptcy.  I was hoping that if you guys 'bit' on $23.30, that it would mean that you increased scope by either lowering the threshold below 8 flights a day to keep work, or grandfathering in non hubs that we currently enjoy.  And the sliding scale is a joke along with the back end time frame.  Sad indeed that you guys only know how to do band aid negotiations with Cindy dates.

That is incorrect sir. Some make 22.83, some less. The average top out base pay is 22.53. And I said it goes to 23.00 in September. You of course for your purpose wants to quote the highest amount.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Its simply amazing or stupid that all of you on here just take Tim's words as the gospel.
 
He isnt an IAM rep, he isnt on the NC, yet many of you on here believe what he is posting.
 
Do you know the meaning of speculation and credibility?

It's called credibility but you wouldn't no what that means.  Sure, you and the establishment hate my guys because I'm "Out of line"  Puck that!  
 
Folks know that I mean business and that what I have said over the last several years is not bull shitting. They may not like some of my decisions or things I have done, but they know that I'm straight up.