2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[cltrat]

MAYBE U SHLD
PROVE IM DAVE!
 
JOHN

I'll just go with piece of chit I'll be right either way Dave

 

[ograc]

After reading multiple pages of political gandstanding, character assasination attempts, personal attacks and slander I'm wondering if we will ever get this group in formation. There are future battles looming for the membership. As we enter into these future battles; we must be united, solidified and on the same page. The campaign leading up to the June election, as I see it, has not been about running on one's own track record and merit, but a campaign based on the forementioned. At the end of June whichever candidates get elected; as I see it, have been so politically scarred, uniting the US Fleet Service for the common good will prove challenging. The winners will be left with the ruins of a negative campaign. The first step in building solidarity, in the best interests of the membership, will be a respectful congratulations concessionary message. A message promising support for the winning candidates and honoring the memberships' vote. I'll be watching for such character. In the end... as always... the membership shall decide! I wish the campaign could have been less dirty. Dirty politics may achieve one's goal but it is at the cost of a united and solidified membership.

 

[P. REZ]

After reading multiple pages of political gandstanding, character assasination attempts, personal attacks and slander I'm wondering if we will ever get this group in formation. There are future battles looming for the membership. As we enter into these future battles; we must be united, solidified and on the same page. The campaign leading up to the June election, as I see it, has not been about running on one's own track record and merit, but a campaign based on the forementioned. At the end of June whichever candidates get elected; as I see it, have been so politically scarred, uniting the US Fleet Service for the common good will prove challenging. The winners will be left with the ruins of a negative campaign. The first step in building solidarity, in the best interests of the membership, will be a respectful congratulations concessionary message. A message promising support for the winning candidates and honoring the memberships' vote. I'll be watching for such character. In the end... as always... the membership shall decide! I wish the campaign could have been less dirty. Dirty politics may achieve one's goal but it is at the cost of a united and solidified membership.

Ograc,
 
You hit the nail on the head. I agree that dirty politics will leave the losers supporters bitter towards the winners and how is that good for solidarity? I have been dealing with some of that from the last campaign. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with your political foes on issues and telling members your platform but when you resort to dirty politics you are only hurting the membership. I wish at some point we could get past this and for all of us to figure out how to be on the same page against this management team. 
 
I think you are a solid member and have grown to appreciate your input.
 
Thank you Ograc,
 
P. Rez

 

[mike33]

  I think that there wasn't ever going to be a TN Term Sheet period. Blow'in smoke about it. A lot of talk is all it was. We will see  in the TA whats up when and if it ever comes out. Hopefully all 3 will come out together or wait for each other.

 

[ograc]

Ograc,
 
You hit the nail on the head. I agree that dirty politics will leave the losers supporters bitter towards the winners and how is that good for solidarity? I have been dealing with some of that from the last campaign. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with your political foes on issues and telling members your platform but when you resort to dirty politics you are only hurting the membership. I wish at some point we could get past this and for all of us to figure out how to be on the same page against this management team. 
 
I think you are a solid member and have grown to appreciate your input.
 
Thank you Ograc,
 
P. Rez

P. Rez,
As you know, I have not always agreed with the current leadership. When I ran two years ago it was about what I felt I could bring to the table based on my track record and experience. In the best intersts of the membership I tried to refrain from negative political campaigning. I want to believe all candidates running want what is best for the membership. I guess I disagree and do not respect, the means to the end, some may choose. Negative campaigning, IMO... is counter productive to overall success and solidarity. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ograc,
 
You hit the nail on the head. I agree that dirty politics will leave the losers supporters bitter towards the winners and how is that good for solidarity? I have been dealing with some of that from the last campaign. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with your political foes on issues and telling members your platform but when you resort to dirty politics you are only hurting the membership. I wish at some point we could get past this and for all of us to figure out how to be on the same page against this management team. 
 
I think you are a solid member and have grown to appreciate your input.
 
Thank you Ograc,
 
P. Rez

You, sir, are laughable, bigtime.
 
The only one running a dirty campaign is you and your team.  You guys dropped the money and not only lied out your ass damn near about everything but you did so by doing it in the gutter.  You guys are the lowest form of management flunkies and I really think you ought to consider a management job.  Here is your POS dirty union page that you and Charlie Brown supported and talked #### about Rick Russo and his family life.  Nobody from the team I'm on EVER talked smack about anyone's family or marriage.  For the audience, here is the link to what Prez supported and paid for.  https://www.facebook.com/U4Cinfo.
 
Notice that there are 2,600 'likes' of which over 2,500 are from Ho Chin China, Banledesh and Instanbul.  Not surprisingly, Istanbul is the #1 city that visits that page since they contracted with overseas scabs and sweatshops to run that page.   In fact, they have so little support that the only ones posting on Prez page are alias'.  Nobody even bothers with these jackasses.  But, the dirt that Charlie Brown and Prez paid and supported shows you their character.  So please VISIT THAT POS SITE and tell me that it has any redeeming value.
 
OTOH,  unifiedforchange has campaigned against 141falling based on their worthless lazy asses which haven't done a damn thing in 6 years other than F up our craft.  Anyone supporting them is supporting management and a continue beating on our craft.  The scoreboard gives these management flunkies credit for the POS US AIRWAYS contract,  HAL contract, and the ultimate anti union contract at United.   There is a reason why most of the 141falling candidates couldn't get their own home nomination from those who know them best, they suck.  They don't just suck at US AIRWAYS, they blow at United and Hawaiian.  Prez is a big part of that.
 
That said, the membership is going to kick their asses in June out of office.  And that is a great hope that we will finally be able to get folks in there that are not management bobbleheads.  Presently, nobody can tell where the union starts and management ends.  That's a problem.  Who thinks their $750 yearly dues has been worth it?  Nobody.  All we get is lip service from these guys and for 6 years all they say is "I'll ask management".  Sorry but nobody wants to pay $750 a year for management mouthpieces. 

 

[P. REZ]

P. Rez,
As you know, I have not always agreed with the current leadership. When I ran two years ago it was about what I felt I could bring to the table based on my track record and experience. In the best intersts of the membership I tried to refrain from negative political campaigning. I want to believe all candidates running want what is best for the membership. I guess I disagree and do not respect, the means to the end, some may choose. Negative campaigning, IMO... is counter productive to overall success and solidarity. 

Ograc,
 
I realize that you ran last time and I have never heard a negative thing about you. I have seen through your posts that you are a solid Union person. I appreciate the people that disagree with me because debate in a positive way can help change things for the better. Things I've pursued for the betterment of the membership have not always been my ideas and through communication, debate, etc. is how good change happens.
 
P. Rez   

 

[700UW]

You are delusional, you are the king of dirty politics.
 
So did you pay cash or use your union credit card?

 

[700UW]

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[737823]

You are delusional, you are the king of dirty politics.
 
So did you pay cash or use your union credit card?

What about all the electronic toys the executive council enjoys?

High end dinners?

Luxury hotels?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Your M.O. is old and no one falls for it, its not about the EC, this is about Tim and his use of escorts in IAH.

 

[737823]

Your M.O. is old and no one falls for it, its not about the EC, this is about Tim and his use of escorts in IAH.

What about your involvement at LL 1726?

Josh

 

[cltrat]

Your M.O. is old and no one falls for it, its not about the EC, this is about Tim and his use of escorts in IAH.

I'll say it again, maybe you should provide prove otherwise you're just talking junk

 

[700UW]

You showed your M.O. again, I never worked in BOS or was a member of 1726.
 
Now this about tim and his dirty politics, and when someone finds out something about him, you run to his defense, so why dont you finally come clean "josh"?

 

[700UW]

This is about tim and his dirty politics.
 
And yet when tim posts something Rat, you think its from God himself and is the truth, yet he doesnt provide one fact of proof to back it up, yet you run with it.
 
And this information came from someone who was in the know.