2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[wings396]

While I haven't seen very much of the new agreement yet, oveoverall it's seems decent. The lack of retro pay along with the poor excuse of a signing bonus, blows. Really, $1500 bucks for a FT agent regardless of time worked? A new hire with less than a year gets the same as a 30 year guy who has given and lost so much over the past 10 years? Zero fairness or consideration was put into this area.

 

[WeAAsles]

Agreed. As I have stated before, I am PT and work more hours than many FT employees. There should be back pay for hours worked. If someone drops every shift available he or she should get less of a "bonus" than I do. Until the vote I will impress on part-timers that if they have any pride or self-worth they should vote NO just based on the signing bonus alone.

Absolutely they should vote no. Especially if the part about them no longer paying double for medical and now getting the same pension benefit as a FT guy is true? Not to mention no more ready reserve.

Yes burn that house down. Huh?

 

[PHXConx]

He is not a PHX Fleet Service worker, just a pot stirrer. At least Tim stirs his own pot.Carry on.

Lol been here 12 years what ya wanna know? Before you say I'm not who I say I am better be Damn sure there bucko.

 

[mike33]

So i'm gonna put this out there because it seems that the only thing for certain before the language comes out is the 1500$/750$.  I do not agree with it and think a bonus should have been based on Hrs worked. Why should i get 1500$ when i only worked 1 week in Nov/Dec/Jan. They offered VTO and i was able to take it. I'm just saying whats fair is fair and so far this 1 thing is not fair as many have worked a lot of hrs and only the company benefited.  Retro would have cost the company Millions more but they saved millions on the backs of 2 BK's and 1500$ is no way to appreciate those sacrifices. Even those that were not here for the BK's have earned more than that in retro $$. I cannot agree with that!!!

 

[PHXConx]

Apparently my hopes of talking about only what we know for sure and not rumor and speculation have gone right out the window. It's amazing trying to not stir the pot equates to stirring the pot... Well I guess pot stirrers would say that..

Timmy you are a piece of work on one hand you say be patient it's only a highlight sheet we should wait for the TA. which I agree with. Then in the very next post speculate on rumor and innuendo... When called out go back to being reasonable... Yeah OK.

It all doesn't matter we will have the language and everyone will interpret it differently but that's OK. That's the way it's supposed to be. That's why everyone gets one vote

I reserve judgement till I see the TA.

HIGHLIGHTS are great... But the devil is in the details. Give me the lowpoints and let's see if they were worth the cost.

 

[PHXConx]

In fact, the words of one of our negotiators is "We got everything we asked for, Tim and hope you can support it."   I hope so as well and I'm cautiously optimistic.

I agree with this and that's how I'd describe my optimism as well.. Alright Tim maybe you aren't so bad.. Lol

 

[PHXConx]

So i'm gonna put this out there because it seems that the only thing for certain before the language comes out is the 1500$/750$.  I do not agree with it and think a bonus should have been based on Hrs worked. Why should i get 1500$ when i only worked 1 week in Nov/Dec/Jan. They offered VTO and i was able to take it. I'm just saying whats fair is fair and so far this 1 thing is not fair as many have worked a lot of hrs and only the company benefited.  Retro would have cost the company Millions more but they saved millions on the backs of 2 BK's and 1500$ is no way to appreciate those sacrifices. Even those that were not here for the BK's have earned more than that in retro $$. I cannot agree with that!!!

I was hoping for retro.. Though I didn't think we were going to get it... Hell I didn't even think we were going to get a signing bonus so the pessimistic in me is happy for that.

But harping on the bribe to get us to sign( from both the company and the NC) is really minuscule contract language going forth is the important part.. the bribe.. Is the, isn't even the icing, it's the sparkles on the cake.

 

[PHXConx]

Drips and drabs but more info

As stated in yesterday's announcement that a tentative agreement has been reached between US Airways and IAM-represented fleet service workers, your negotiating committee is working diligently to compile a complete list of every change to the current collective bargaining agreement for membership review. The following are the exact percentage base wage increases and when they will be received:

Effective Date of Signing (DOS): 9.53% increase to top of scale base rate.

Effective (DOS): 3% increase to base rate of all other steps.

Effective 9/12/2014: 2.1% increase to base rate at all steps.

Effective 9/12/2015: 2.1% increase to base rate of pay to all steps or the Industry Pay Rate Adjustment whichever is greater; the result of which may not exceed the rate at the same step on the LAA (Legacy American Airlines) scale (following the LAA adjustment). Since steps 10 & 11 of the LUS (Legacy US Airways) scale have no comparator LAA step, the percentage increase derived from the top of scale adjustment will apply to these steps

Effective 9/12/2016: In the event that a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) has not been reached for the fleet service classification at American Airlines, base wage rates will be increased by 2.1% and the amendable date of the contract will be extended one (1) year.

Effective 9/12/2017: In the event that a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) has not been reached for the fleet service classification at American Airlines, base wage rates will be increased by 2.1% and the amendable date of the contract will be extended one (1) year.

As your negotiations committee compiles all changes to the current agreement, we will make them available to you.


http://m.iam141.org/site/us/index.html?imz_st

 

[Tim Nelson]

Drips and drabs but more info

As stated in yesterday's announcement that a tentative agreement has been reached between US Airways and IAM-represented fleet service workers, your negotiating committee is working diligently to compile a complete list of every change to the current collective bargaining agreement for membership review. The following are the exact percentage base wage increases and when they will be received:

Effective Date of Signing (DOS): 9.53% increase to top of scale base rate.

Effective (DOS): 3% increase to base rate of all other steps.

Effective 9/12/2014: 2.1% increase to base rate at all steps.

Effective 9/12/2015: 2.1% increase to base rate of pay to all steps or the Industry Pay Rate Adjustment whichever is greater; the result of which may not exceed the rate at the same step on the LAA (Legacy American Airlines) scale (following the LAA adjustment). Since steps 10 & 11 of the LUS (Legacy US Airways) scale have no comparator LAA step, the percentage increase derived from the top of scale adjustment will apply to these steps

Effective 9/12/2016: In the event that a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) has not been reached for the fleet service classification at American Airlines, base wage rates will be increased by 2.1% and the amendable date of the contract will be extended one (1) year.

Effective 9/12/2017: In the event that a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) has not been reached for the fleet service classification at American Airlines, base wage rates will be increased by 2.1% and the amendable date of the contract will be extended one (1) year.

As your negotiations committee compiles all changes to the current agreement, we will make them available to you.


http://m.iam141.org/site/us/index.html?imz_st

The pay parity should be locked in with the following:  UA will be $25.35.  Delta is currently: $24.46.  So we can take those numbers and derive a pay parity adjustment on 9/15 of $24.91 minimum, yes?  Assuming Delta gives out another pay raise in April of 2015 of 3%, the pay parity would be: $25.25.  As far as the money leading into joint talks, I would think there won't be much negative discussion about it, yes?  In addition to the pay parity, the contract has built in pay raises that would then take the pay around $27 by 2017.  Isn't that correct?

 

[WeAAsles]

The pay parity should be locked in with the following:  UA will be $25.35.  Delta is currently: $24.46.  So we can take those numbers and derive a pay parity adjustment on 9/15 of $24.91 minimum, yes?  Assuming Delta gives out another pay raise in April of 2015 of 3%, the pay parity would be: $25.25.  As far as the money leading into joint talks, I would think there won't be much negative discussion about it, yes?  In addition to the pay parity, the contract has built in pay raises that would then take the pay around $27 by 2017.  Isn't that correct?

Tim on UA you are talking about BASE wage and Longevity correct? Someone I know sent me a pay scale for DAL and that current rate was $23.48. How did you arrive at $24.46?

Show us your mathematics there soldier.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim on UA you are talking about BASE wage and Longevity correct? Someone I know sent me a pay scale for DAL and that current rate was $23.48. How did you arrive at $24.46?
Show us your mathematics there soldier.

per pay parity, longevity and line pay are tacked on. Kev may be able to clarify with delta but the delta base of $23.16 was given a 3% increase in april. That would put it around $23.85 or so. Then add the .60 longevity they have

 

[Dog Wonder]

I think TV news coverage only exasperates the problem .

 

Then we exasperated it by making red lines, 

 

What are the odds two different posters from the Sandbox misuse the same long word the same way? Maybe they flunked the same English class at ASU

 

Yet another example of someone with two or more usernames.   Good catch!

 

Lol been here 12 years what ya wanna know? Before you say I'm not who I say I am better be Damn sure there bucko.

Try not to "exasperate" things.

 

[WeAAsles]

per pay parity, longevity and line pay are tacked on. Kev may be able to clarify with delta but the delta base of $23.16 was given a 3% increase in april. That would put it around $23.85 or so. Then add the .60 longevity they have

The rate I have which is dated 4/1/2014 is $23.86. You are a penny off, how dare you. So they do have a longevity then? What is your top longevity currently?

And the company in the formula for longevity averaged it across the line and then added it to our base rate.

My mathematics also assume a .50 per hour increase for DAL also.

We could drive ourselves a little batty trying to figure this out now though?

 

[Kev3188]

Current DL base: $23.86/hr.

Lead override: $1.59/hr.

Shift differential:

Afternoons: .45/hr

Nights: .52/hr

No longevity...

 

[WeAAsles]

Current DL base: $23.86/hr.

Lead override: $1.59/hr.

Shift differential:

Afternoons: .45/hr

Nights: .52/hr

No longevity...

Thanks Kev.

So Tim for now just to do your formula correctly you can only use the base rate for DAL currently. The formula that's used as an example in our contract only factors in base and longevity. Not CC or shift premiums.