2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

And since this was brought up. The decision to give up Profit sharing for a structural increase was a good decision then and is still a good decision now. The 4.3% amounted to almost a $1.00 per hour increase. Roughly $2000.00 per year not factoring in extra hours worked and contributions to our 401k. To equal that amount just on the first year for PS the company would have had to make almost 4 Billion in profit. Now in each subsequent year as our pay rises the company would have to earn more to equal our direct rate.

Now you think it doesn't matter because of the averaging next year? Wrong. Our averaging would have been based on a lower wage. $22.52 rather than $23.48. So we would have been held back by our own wage.

Profit sharing is also taxed at a higher rate than payroll taxes so a larger chunk would have came out of each individuals pocket . So the decision to accept the change on the expedited notice was a good one.

Also to point out that even though the payout was on AA's first dollar of pre-tax earnings, the formula for payout to Fleet was horrible. Some companies pay out PS on an equal basis but AA was not one of those companies. 

 

[WeAAsles]

If your Union had given up the ability to improve your wages because they said we have to put it to a membership vote and it was lost and you found out. You would have wanted to crucify them for not looking out for your best interests. Simple as that.

Oh and some moron also said it was only about padding the dues. We pay 2 times our hourly rate in dues. So to get an extra $160.00 per month our dues went up by a whopping $2.00.

Anyone besides me find that argument funny?

 

[roabilly]

We?

We have told you that you should be more careful when you post not to slip up to show the readers that you actually are an employee of Usair.
 

Josh is anti IAM... Tim is anti IAM...  did anyone notice that Josh was gone when Tim was on the road? Josh is tool of deflection and distraction, and he is merely a red-herring for the puppet master!
 
This strategy works pretty well to hi-jack this thread... there are still a few here that can’t resist responding to him as proof...

 

[WeAAsles]

Josh is anti IAM... Tim is anti IAM...  did anyone notice that Josh was gone when Tim was on the road? Josh is tool of deflection and distraction, and he is merely a red-herring for the puppet master!
 
This strategy works pretty well to hi-jack this thread... there are still a few here that can’t resist responding to him as proof...

I don't usually respond to Josh myself but I will use him as tool to propel a message when I can feed off of a particular narrative.

Basically he makes a good diving board sometimes.

 

[roabilly]

I agree-- We attempting ignoring him, but that only serves to filter out the best arguments against his stupid comments-- It’s sort of a Catch-22 situation...
 
At least we know his MO, and motive!

 

[robbedagain]

hey josh  since you say the TWU rocks... go ask all of the furloughed AA folks  and Id bet you that the vast majority of them will tell you that the TWU sucks    In fact  go ask the AA mechanics what they think of the TWU  

 

[Harry Callahan]

Wow, retirement cause you to lose your sense of humor..

Sorry I actually thought you were serious at the time. As much as I disagree with Tim I like him as a person & have known him along time .
 
Oh & actually retirement has given me a much bigger sense of humor. Best wishes to you all.
 
Harry

 

[737823]

hey josh  since you say the TWU rocks... go ask all of the furloughed AA folks  and Id bet you that the vast majority of them will tell you that the TWU sucks    In fact  go ask the AA mechanics what they think of the TWU

Compared to the IAM the TWU rocks but that isn't saying much. They'd be better served with AMFA, but IAM vs TWU no comparison just look at the excellent TWU agreements at WN for Ramp and F/As.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Are you sure about that?
 
Better compare CBA, for M&R and Fleet the IAM CBA is superior.
 
So try again, you are lying again.
 
How many times do we have to post that the TWU members say about itself?
 
He is trying to foster in-fighting between the two unions, we shouldnt foster him anymore, he is just a big liar.
 
Both unions faced insurmountable odds with US filing chapter 11 twice in less than two years and AA's recent case.
 
Section 1113 C of the Bankruptcy code forces unions to negotiate concessions or face a CBA abrogation and imposition, the laws are not created to protect the employees, it is made to protect the creditors and the company.
 
I say we just start ignoring the liar, fraud and the master of misinformation known as 737823 aka Joshie.
 
No union is perfect, but we know you are a liar, a fraud and the master of misinformation.
 
So posted, why would an alleged JP Morgan employee claim to know so much about the IAM, US, AA and the TWU?
 
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
 
He calls US flights attendants old hags, angry workers, etc.....
 
I bet his mother is real proud of him.

 

[WeAAsles]

hey josh  since you say the TWU rocks... go ask all of the furloughed AA folks  and Id bet you that the vast majority of them will tell you that the TWU sucks    In fact  go ask the AA mechanics what they think of the TWU  

robbed DO NOT be a sucker. DO NOT fall for what he is trying to accomplish. I absolutely know that you are smarter than that.

 

[WeAAsles]

Are you sure about that?
 
Better compare CBA, for M&R and Fleet the IAM CBA is superior.
 
So try again, you are lying again.
 
How many times do we have to post that the TWU members say about itself?
 
No union is perfect, but we know you are a liar, a fraud and the master of misinformation.
 
So posted, why would an alleged JP Morgan employee claim to know so much about the IAM, US, AA and the TWU?
 
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
 
He calls US flights attendants old hags, angry workers, etc.....
 
I bet his mother is real proud of him.

700 DO NOT be a sucker. DO NOT fall for what he is trying to accomplish. I absolutely know that you are smarter than that.

 

[WeAAsles]

IAM/TWU

A PARTNERSHIP.

SUPPORT BOTH YOUR UNIONS!!!!!!!!
 

 

[700UW]

He is trying to foster in-fighting between the two unions, we shouldnt foster him anymore, he is just a big liar.

 

[WeAAsles]

He is trying to foster in-fighting between the two unions, we shouldnt foster him anymore, he is just a big liar.

There you go.

 

[PHXConx]

How but them cubbies... (I figured if Josh could hijack thread I could too... ) besides I'm a reds fan but u get the point lol