2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Harry Callahan]

Somebody saw him at Scorpio's on Freedom Dr....

Give it a break. I'm not buying that.
 
Harry

 

[NYer]

yeah, no joke.  And it involved getting rid of your profit sharing.  My point isn't that it was good or bad but don't you think it would have been nice to have members actually vote on the damn agreement instead of having the union bosses make the decision?   At US AIRWAYS,  we had something called a lead referendum to allow some flexibilities in class 2 stations.  Even that had to be voted upon systemwide.  The IAM isn't perfect but at least its members get to vote on changes.  Even officer elections are voted upon in this district by plurality and not some convention delegation team.   I'm not sure exactly what the constitution is of the association or if it even has one other than the 12 page document it tossed up there on the official site, but from what I understand, folks will be voting on any changes, and you should find that to be a welcome.

The agreement wasn't part of the CBA and therefore a vote wasn't necessary. That deal was very time sensitive and very delicate being that the IAM was in negotiations. It is an agreement that at least assisted in getting the IAM Members a higher raise than what would otherwise could have been possible. We received 4.3% raise which helped our Brothers and Sisters at US Airways get their 9.5% on DOS to bring all the top rates to be the same. Win-win.....but can go ahead and try to make an issues where there is none.

 

[737823]

Well guess what genius?
 
The New AA is US, most of the top executives are PMUS, not AA.
 
CEO, President, COO, CFO, HR, LR, all US executives.

Go fly DL since you hate US so much.

Not denying any of that. Believe me it kills me to see AA get taken over by these fools. But still doesn't change the fact that I didn't fly US Airways to PHL.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Fools?
 
They will make more money than you ever will, and Wall Street, the Courts and some of the employees have more confidence in them then someone like you could ever dream of.

 

[737823]

You just like the merger because of the alliance and opportunity to non-rev to more cities, face it lol.

Josh

 

[700UW]

I dont have an opinion either way on the merger.
 
All I care about is the unionized employees getting a fair deal

 

[737823]

Typical, screw the other stakeholders including unorganized employees and management.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

yeah, no joke.  And it involved getting rid of your profit sharing.  My point isn't that it was good or bad but don't you think it would have been nice to have members actually vote on the damn agreement instead of having the union bosses make the decision?   At US AIRWAYS,  we had something called a lead referendum to allow some flexibilities in class 2 stations.  Even that had to be voted upon systemwide.  The IAM isn't perfect but at least its members get to vote on changes.  Even officer elections are voted upon in this district by plurality and not some convention delegation team.   I'm not sure exactly what the constitution is of the association or if it even has one other than the 12 page document it tossed up there on the official site, but from what I understand, folks will be voting on any changes, and you should find that to be a welcome.

The agreement wasn't part of the CBA and therefore a vote wasn't necessary. That deal was very time sensitive and very delicate being that the IAM was in negotiations. It is an agreement that at least assisted in getting the IAM Members a higher raise than what would otherwise could have been possible. We received 4.3% raise which helped our Brothers and Sisters at US Airways get their 9.5% on DOS to bring all the top rates to be the same. Win-win.....but can go ahead and try to make an issues where there is none.

That's the difference. The TWU can do what it wants.  I think your people will like more democracy if that's what the association provides.  You going to give politics another shot after you lost the presidency?

 

[700UW]

Where did I say that?
 
Unorganized employees made the choice to be non-union.
 
You are certainly a pos, you dont give a rat's rear end about anyone at US.
 
You call the employees names and rag on US all the time.
 
I said all I care about is the employees a fair deal, the stakeholders have made their money.

 

[737823]

Where did I say that?
 
Unorganized employees made the choice to be non-union.
 
You are certainly a pos, you dont give a rat's rear end about anyone at US.
 
You call the employees names and rag on US all the time.
 
I said all I care about is the employees a fair deal, the stakeholders have made their money.

There you go again interpreting stakeholder to mean stockholder. Employees, passengers, stockholders, suppliers, and broader American public are all stakeholders in the new AA.

Every single employee chose to be unorganized? Just like every employee at US that is covered by a CBA would willingly choose that on their own?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Vendor contracts are in place, they negotiate that with the company.
 
And when one takes a job, they are told being under a collective bargaining agreement and unionized is part of the job.
 
They make the choice to take the job or not, no one forces them.
 
And yes, when you take the job you make the choice.

 

[WeAAsles]

Typical, screw the other stakeholders including unorganized employees and management.
Josh

That's a very silly comment. They can worry about themselves. I worry about my union brothers and sisters and that's it.

 

[robbedagain]

I may be an employee of US but I am not a stakeholder josh.   Im proud to be a union member.     still no word josh I mean we did get a TA now  and even Tim seems to be positive about it....   so josh its ok in your book for the employees to get screwed continuously by the mgmt.  the same donkeys who make  far bigger money than the employees...   figures  coming from a banker  a banker whose own employer has screwed millions of Americans out of their homes

 

[737823]

That's a very silly comment. They can worry about themselves. I worry about my union brothers and sisters and that's it.

So you worry which TWU/AA/MIA and allow the TWU to leave the IAM members behind like what happened with TWA. After all 700 is always correct and said the TWU agreement had language that any employees from a carrier acquired are junior to TWU members.

Josh

 

[700UW]

The language wasnt what you wrote.
 
And the IAM and TWU have agreed upon seniority, DOH into the Classification.
 
And the TWU and IAM went to arbitration, how many times do you have to be told the same thing over and over?
 
Go read the Kasher Decision.