2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

And Delta cut the profit sharing percentage from 15% to 10%, so in reality it was another concession forced upon them.
 
And Roa, do you remember the PPG days?
 
Thats what it is like at Delta.

 

[Tim Nelson]

That's where Nelson is very good at cherry picking facts to fit his agenda. Just Like when Charlie Brown busted him a few pages ago concerning wages. He never mentions the scope or other benefits that were sacrificed to achieve the wages, or profit sharing in this case... 
 
It's not what Nelson tells us... it's what he doesn't tell us!

wrong.
i pointed out that delta has plenty more stations and cargo. And when prez said he could net us dozens of more stations if he endorsed ready reserve, i pointed out that he did endorse ready reserve at united and thathis ready reserve has wiped out 137 ord jobs and has allowed management to put out job openings for 250 ready reservers in ord.
full disclosre indeed.
delta+1
Iam141 0

Kindly justify for us the worth of our dues with your boys?

 

[Tim Nelson]

And Delta cut the profit sharing percentage from 15% to 10%, so in reality it was another concession forced upon them.
 
And Roa, do you remember the PPG days?
 
Thats what it is like at Delta.

and the iam cut our pension.

Our peeps lost and keep losing.
Whatever the case, hopefully our dues paid to your boys will net us north to the bar where delta is at.

 

[700UW]

Future pension accruals correct?
 
And isnt pending a new CBA?
 
And you do realize DL has less ramp stations than what NW did, I believe Kev and chime on this issue, and they promised to bring back stations and havent.
 
And its the IAMNPF, which is separate from the IAM, yet you always say the IAM.
 
And DL has huge numbers of ready reserve, lets see what Kevin has to say.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Where was anything said about bringing back stations? An actual executive quote perhaps?

You can ask Kevin if you would like but also ask the tens of thousands of DL employees who voted "no" and let them tell you why they aren't interested in unions.

Mr. Nelson highlighted just one reason why but you blew right past it without acknowledging that it is the absolutely truth.

DL has long had larger number of employees in its hubs so I'm not sure that NW had any more ramp employees despite having more cities.

Further, DL has allowed crossover to above wing, something that long allowed many BW employees to remain in their stations since DL has its own people in far more above wing stations.

And then you pick up stones regarding hub closures when the list for US is far, far longer.

 

[cltrat]

Chock Jockey made a great post earlier this morning that was spot on, it's been deleted looks like somebody whined to the mods.
 
Pretty sad esp considering the garbage being spewed the last few pages.

 

[737823]

Future pension accruals correct?
 
And isnt pending a new CBA?
 
And you do realize DL has less ramp stations than what NW did, I believe Kev and chime on this issue, and they promised to bring back stations and havent.
 
And its the IAMNPF, which is separate from the IAM, yet you always say the IAM.
 
And DL has huge numbers of ready reserve, lets see what Kevin has to say.

So yes they are cutting future pension benefits, thanks. That's what the labor movement strives for! An $84 multiplier pension that later gets cut.

Josh

 

[700UW]

The IAMNPF is a separate entity, you know this.
 
The accruals are subject to current section 6 negotiations.
 
You are just mad cause you want the fraudulent ridden company JP Morgan to handle the money.
 
And ask how many airlines have terminated or froze their pensions.
 
The IAMPNF is not being cut for M&R and it is funded to 105%.
 
And ask how many airline employees lost a lot of money in their 401ks dues to airlines stocks being wiped out and the down turn cycle on Wall Street, you should know this if you are who you say you are.
 
The $84 is M&R not Fleet.

 

[T5towbar]

I saw the pics of you guys on FB. I support you guys and gals 100%

You are in a much better position than us, and you should not accept anything that is substandard before going into joint talks. Something is rotten and wrong when your management is dealing with another company and their unions, without even bringing you guys up or in parity in compensation. They will try to slowwalk this out to the max.

And don't let this District let you settle or bring back some BS. You have seen the damage it has wrought on us.

No thank you Tim for making sure TA1 got voted down and got rid of the profit sharing.


We paid for our raises (mainly sUA) with the profit sharing. Get the money now since there is no raises in 2015. (except "B" scalers who are still on their steps).

I'll take what little money next Friday and blow it on Powerball and Mega Millions tickets!
What a joke.........

 

[700UW]

The last sentence is not my words in your quote box.

 

[ChockJockey]

Where was anything said about bringing back stations? An actual executive quote perhaps?

You can ask Kevin if you would like but also ask the tens of thousands of DL employees who voted "no" and let them tell you why they aren't interested in unions.

Mr. Nelson highlighted just one reason why but you blew right past it without acknowledging that it is the absolutely truth.

DL has long had larger number of employees in its hubs so I'm not sure that NW had any more ramp employees despite having more cities.

Further, DL has allowed crossover to above wing, something that long allowed many BW employees to remain in their stations since DL has its own people in far more above wing stations.

And then you pick up stones regarding hub closures when the list for US is far, far longer.

 
Dammit, this used to be the one thread I could count on browsing without having to sift through your creepy obsession with Delta or your never-ending pissing contests with 700...

 

[WorldTraveler]

All I asked was the basis he was using for telling Josh not to participate in the discussion since he wasn't a union paying member but apparently neither is 700.

I said nothing about DL.

Also, Mr. Nelson compared the profit sharing that DL employees will be taking home and other US employees ran with how much it will net them.

 

[700UW]

US Airways fleet service workers gathered in Boston in a show of solidarity to demand their company do the right thing and offer a fair contract now.
 
IAM-represented fleet service, mechanic and related and maintenance training specialists have been in contract negotiations with US Airways for approximately three years, but the airline has stonewalled the workers in negotiations.
 
The IAM requested a release from mediated talks mid last year so the workers could exercise their right to "self-help," which would allow the workers to strike the carrier. The National Mediation Board (NMB) has the full authority to grant the release, but to date has balked.
 
The IAM-represented US Airways workers have demanded a contract first before any workforce integration, caused by the merger between US Airways and American Airlines, will be discussed. They understand the need for a strong contract that will benefit not only the IAM-represented workers at US Airways, but also benefit the TWU-represented workers in similar classifications at pre-merger American.
 
The IAM and TWU have formed a representational alliance in which both unions will combine forces to represent the workers at the new American and bargain a joint contract that will eventually cover all workers that are part of the TWU-IAM Employee Associations
 

 

[ChockJockey]

All I asked was the basis he was using for telling Josh not to participate in the discussion since he wasn't a union paying member but apparently neither is 700.

I said nothing about DL.

Also, Mr. Nelson compared the profit sharing that DL employees will be taking home and other US employees ran with how much it will net them.

 
I don't care.  Every post you make in this thread that addresses 700 or makes any mention of "Delta" or "DL" I'm giving an automatic -1.

 

[Kev3188]

I'm sorry CJ, but I gotta weigh in here:
 
First, regarding how many stations we (DL) have: Yep, we have 43. Tim's absolutely right about that. The other part of that story is that the majority are stations that were PMNW; stations that were explicitly covered in our CBA. There was a flight threshold, but some large RJ flights counted towards it, and there were no silly drop dead dates or time bombed scope. For anyone on the US NC reading this, SCOPE COMES FIRST! 
 
...and nothing replaces rock solid language.
 
Regarding insourcing: DL made great hay about how they were insourcing ramps back in house. The backside to that is that they were really just opening up former NW stations to DL employees to bid into. Great news for that side of the house, but not the message the company wanted people to believe. Another over promise/under deliver.
 
The stated goal for Ready Reserve is 50% in a line station. By DL's own words, the program has grown exponentially over the last several years, and shows no sign of stopping. These people do the same work all of us do, are working at the gate(s) next to you all, and get ZERO benefits, unless you count pass travel as an economic incentive. Where's the justice in that?
 
What this also means for regular employees is a stunting of their career progression. Remember all those years we were all stuck on sh*t shifts, with bad days off? Remember the tacit promise that if we just stuck it out, good times were ahead? Well, when openings are backfilled with ready reserve, that doesn't happen, and there's no upward movement. Going the other way, the RR's who have hopes of making a career here have their expectations dashed, and usually wind up leaving, so the cycle starts anew. That might be tolerable in a hub, but on the line, it's a huge deal. 
 
FWIW, I'm still in the IAMNPF, and the last letter I got showed it well in the "green." I have a vested interest (no pun intended) in it staying that way, even though I personally prefer a 401k with both a good contribution and a healthy match. 
 
Many of you saw the thread on the UA board where people came and tried to defend the indefensible (the UA CBA). I said then that DL 141 had a real shot at making a huge gain for labor in this industry. They blew it. I can only hope that the US NC takes a note and does right by the membership, for they too have tremendous leverage in their hands. No carrier operates in a vacuum, and what happens at one will have a ripple effect at all the others. The last 15 years or so have seen the downward pressure only get worse. Let's try and turn that around in our favor. 
 
Lastly, whether you're a fan of Tim, the work Jay Cronk is doing, or a different team, IAM members heading to the polls have the one thing thousands of DL employee can only dream of; a collective voice in the workplace, and a real say in your career's direction. Don't take it for granted.