2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Kev3188]

Thanks Roa. Not for nothing, but it wasn't just Tim saying that. For awhile it seemed like a recurrent theme in these Fleet threads, which is why I was asking...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nelson,
 
As usual, you bend the facts to fit your argument. The Catering station losses you are attempting to pin on the IAM were already outsourced prior to even certification of the IAM as our bargaining unit! Several mid-sized stations like GSO, ATL, and DCA had Catering, but they were downsized by "US Air" headquarters in the early 90's. almost a decade prior to your assertions!
 
The IAM actually SAVED the remaining Catering Stations with contractual language in our first agreement that still exist today!
 
As for the rest of you argument... I am providing actual links to credible news sources that place a clear time stamp on the devastation Fleet Service went trough PRIOR to joining the IAM...
 
Baltimore Sun 1993
 
what i provided was objective information which i assume you forgot. The 98 agreement was voted down and the biggest reason was prolly the fact that the iam gave up all of catering even clt. The 99 agreement was better as it protected 5 catering stations including clt then put a cinderella stamp on another dozen catering stations including ord. As far as the early 90s, yeah the company did what they wanted, but we had alot more catering stations plus 82 stations before the iam signed on not to protect all the small stations. I continue to have a problem with that and i hope your boys dont endorse and support AH with cinderella dates. Im gonna climb up your back end hammering you if you and your clowns pull any punk drop dead dates with my people. Keep blabbing your mouth about republicans and AH when your own boys endorsed a ta at united that helped destroy our craft. You and their other pollyannas refuse to recognize the shittty job your boys have done.
Pittsburgh Post 1994

 

[Tim Nelson]

Thanks Roa. Not for nothing, but it wasn't just Tim saying that. For awhile it seemed like a recurrent theme in these Fleet threads, which is why I was asking...

the 98 agreement was voted down and it didnt include protections for any catering.
roa is incorrect. At any rate, we need not look back to 98 when the current iam141 board members all endorsed the united contract which tosses out all scope in 83 ramp stations and only protects 7 stations. Toss in probably 80% pary time and hundreds of ready reserve.
Fwiw all united hubs that finished votingsupported the unifiedforchange slate by about 80% with full endorsements. So the members are speaking.

 

[P. REZ]

Maybe the question that needs to be asked is why the company is hand sitting on all of these grievances? Could it be that they're doing so intentionally as a way to try and discredit the IAM? Just a thought.
 
Also, can you guys not settle a grievance at the local (station) level? Not trying to sound silly- I'm assuming you can- but haven't seen much mention of it here. I know I was able to resolve a good lot of them before they every needed to advance up the ladder. 
 
Roa-- I seem to recall reading on here that a ton of stations that were farmed out as a sort of quid pro quo to save PHL catering in your last CBA. Is that not accurate?
 
Orgac--  The small stations of the world need a voice too. I think more people look at those names than many of us might guess. I know every time a ballot came out for us (NW), that's one of the first things I looked for. 

Kev3188,
 
I have posted about this recently that I don't waive time limits and don't have a wasteland worth of grievances either. Lots of grievances are won at earlier steps. I currently have about 15 at the Mediation/Arbitration step of which 1 will be arbitrated next week and another to be determined. Also, 3 cases will be mediated in March. My goal is to get down to 1-3 cases by the end of 2014.   
 
P. Rez

 

[roabilly]

Nelson, you're losing it.. (again)... we went through all of this in the last elections!

 

[roabilly]

the 98 agreement was voted down and it didnt include protections for any catering.
roa is incorrect.

No-- actually ROA is correct, when an agreement is voted down... it's not a ratified agreement, thus it's never consummated! Do I need to clarify our first "ratified" agreement to be accepted by the membership?

 

[Tim Nelson]

No-- actually ROA is correct, when an agreement is voted down... it's not a ratified agreement, thus it's never consummated! Do I need to clarify our first "ratified" agreement to be accepted by the membership?

huh?
This whole conversation started with you saying that we came a long way with the iam from the non union days, and i pointed out that there were 8800 rampers prior to the iam. We had 82 stations and catering is what i said. I pointed out that the iam endorsed contracting out catering as well in 98.

None of this is refutable so i havent a clue about what else you are rambling about.

 

[ChockJockey]

Have the slates been finalized?  Where can we see them, and who is on them?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nelson, you're losing it.. (again)... we went through all of this in the last elections!

Nah im just pretty pumped about the team im on and how we are absolutely crushing the delaney team that endorsed the united contract at all united hubs that have reported. It is an exciting time for our membership to know that the unifiedforchange team has won the endorsement (prolly 80% of all ballots cast) for all positions in the biggest hub (iah) as well as sfo and den.
we feel pretty good about ord and iad as well although they still have to count the ballots yet. Never mind many small stations who also voted for change.
Alot of hard work between now and june but if we are so honored by the membership yhen i think we can really clean up grievances and better guard against AH trying to get more drop dead dates.

 

[mike33]

i hope they pay you overtime posting at 3am.
If the company isnt answering grievances now, and they arent, then there is no other chouce but to arbitrate. The reason why yhe company isnt answering grievances is because the union isnt doing its job of enforcing the contract. Why do you keep blaming AH when the union goes running to him to get his consent to waive off time limits?
What the union leaders are doing is wrong. If im an agc im not going to deal away grievances by begging AH to waive off time limits. AH loves waiving off grievances because then he can be confident that the great grievance wasteland will grow and hundreds of more grievances can disappear forever never to be heard from again in the Bermuda Triangle.

Btw, why do you and a few others complain after i post how delta rampers got $5,000 profit sharing checks?
I think it is great that delta rampers were able to enjoy those checks, why dont you?

  I have 700 on ignore with Josh so they can argue unaffiliated. You will never convince him that by not waving limits, would possibly help the grievance procedure. Its hard for some to give up those "old shoes" they have been walking in for so long because of comfort. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

I have 700 on ignore with Josh so they can argue unaffiliated. You will never convince him that by not waving limits, would possibly help the grievance procedure. Its hard for some to give up those "old shoes" they have been walking in for so long because of comfort.

that may b a good idea because he interjects between my conversations and fire bombs them and quote mines me. I couldnt even announce the delta profit sharing as a good thing for rampers over there without him making it something evil. I hope our nc takes the increases at delta and their profit sharing and use it to tweak our proposals more northward. Especially since management has said that it made more money than they projected and are further along than where they thought they would b. Our newest proposal should reflect this.

 

[cltrat]

  I have 700 on ignore with Josh so they can argue unaffiliated. You will never convince him that by not waving limits, would possibly help the grievance procedure. Its hard for some to give up those "old shoes" they have been walking in for so long because of comfort. 

too bad mike ,I hate you missed the one where he called you timmie jr ...lol

 

[mike33]

too bad mike ,I hate you missed the one where he called you timmie jr ...lol

really?.....wow... i'm devastated ! lol
 
 Actually, the time limits was the one thing we disagreed on.......... and his "I" / " Me " ego of course

 

[700UW]

not hardly. Some grievances that have no merit will be dissolved and a close out letter will be served. Some grievances will be settled before arbitration. Some will be arbitratdd. Presently there is no respect for the grievance procedure and the PRIMARY reason is due to our agcs asking AH for his consent to waive time limits. So dont blame AH for something that our agcs beg him to do.

But, i dont waive off yime limits and if AH doesnt want yo settle grievances then arbitration is the path in the contract and arbitration it will be.

And you are wrong about 6 case limit per year. Its in the agreement and it is non negotiable.

Unions need to enforce contracts and just because they have grown comfortable waiving off time limits and making arbitration rare doesnt mean it has to be that way.

And to be sure, AH doesnt settle grievances so we have no choice but to arbitrate and get to a third party. Will it cost the union alot of money? Not really but if so, then our dues pay for it.

Its not in the agreement how many times arbitration will be scheduled.
 
And if he isnt answering them now, he will love to push them all to arbitration, so you gonna tell the members "tuff lucka"?
 
If he isnt settling them, you are going to make him change?
 
I doubt that.
 
Your CBA language:
 

Step 4
If no satisfactory adjustment is reached in the previous step, the decision may be appealed to the System Board of
Arbitration by presenting it through the Assistant General Chairman. The written appeal must be submitted by the
Assistant General Chairman to the Vice President - Labor Relations, or his designee, within thirty (30) days of the
receipt of the Step 3 decision.
 

So where does it say when, how and how many times arbitrations will he done?
 
Once an case goes to arbitration and he or she is selected only for urgent cases can you request a hearing in 15 days.

 

[roabilly]

Its not in the agreement how many times arbitration will be scheduled.
 
And if he isnt answering them now, he will love to push them all to arbitration, so you gonna tell the members "tuff lucka"?
 
If he isnt settling them, you are going to make him change?
 
I doubt that.
 
Your CBA language:
 
So where does it say when, how and how many times arbitrations will he done?
 
Once an case goes to arbitration and he or she is selected only for urgent cases can you request a hearing in 15 days.

Nelson, won't address that... he just wants everyone to think he can force the Company to do whatever he wants. Sometimes, I wish he would get elected, just so I could watch him fail to change any of this...
 
But I would never wish that on the Membership...