2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

Tim,
 
I am giving you an answer as to legal thoughts on the matter and I am not pounding my chest stating that we will or won't be successful in stopping single carrier filings. You constantly complain that people are misquoting you and putting words in your mouth but you are the one who puts words and interpretations to others posters statements.
 
P. Rez  

Ask yourself why Tim continues to hound you on an issue that he already knows the answer to and was spoken about in depth further back in thread. You have already made abundantly clear to the readers that you are not at liberty to discuss certain things in your position which should be accepted.

Tim is looking for the gotcha from you that he can use in the future to further his own personal agenda's at your cost. Possibly compromising you legally as well.

 

[mike33]

It has everything to do with fleet service.  Fleet service is voting this month on it.   It has a lot more to do with fleet service than you and NYer playing semantics about the Southwest contract. Cripes!  Can you two leave it alone already?
 
I'd take a guy on death row to represent me over a guy who violated my rights and had to do a new election where the United States government doesn't even trust him.  How many International elections have to be supervised?  Ridiculous! But Buffy just didn't listen to me.  He just didn't listen.  Mess with the bull and.......

OMG are you just full of yourself?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ask yourself why Tim continues to hound you on an issue that he already knows the answer to and was spoken about in depth further back in thread. You have already made abundantly clear to the readers that you are not at liberty to discuss certain things in your position which should be accepted.

Tim is looking for the gotcha from you that he can use in the future to further his own personal agenda's at your cost. Possibly compromising you legally as well.

Laughable.  Exactly what compromise is there in admitting that the Association doesn't represent anyone presently and that the NMB doesn't recognize it as representing anyone?  I'll swing over to the TWU FB board and ask you straight up in front of your own members. then I'll cut and paste it here.   Ill also add to that page that a few TWU members here are assisting in this ridiculousness of claims that the TWU will not be held responsible for the MOU. 
 
The sad reality is that the current ultimatum strategy will not only affect all US AIRWAYS members with wages lower than AMR, but the wages may be substantially lower so that you will be affected in your 2015 wage parity.  You will be just as much to blame as the current leadership is that has chosen to put politics ahead of the members and blow up talks, just like they did at United when they left a last offer of 10% on the table and took ZERO.

 

[700UW]

He is trying to change and deflect.
 
What does it matter that the Association isnt the bargaining agent yet?
 
There are no JCBA negotiations going on.
 
You are just trying to throw as much fecal matter to the wall and see what sticks.
 
Do you think the people on the board dont have any intelligence and cant see right through your BS?

 

[mike33]

Does the NMB recognize the Association as a certified bargaining agent for any workers on this property? Yes or No?
 
To the audience;  It is happening.  The single carrier status applications are starting to roll in just as I said.  Those detractors who are pounding their chest saying "I will not allow a single carrier for ramp" are just doing so for political gain.  The single carrier status for ramp will be filed AND should be determined by September, NOT months and years down the line. 
 
Here is the CWA's single carrier application that just came out two days ago:  http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airline-industry/20140404-unions-begin-effort-to-represent-american-airlines-agents.ece

Tim
 
  You know as well as i do that that is because 1/2 of the work force is unrepresented..

 

[mike33]

Ask yourself why Tim continues to hound you on an issue that he already knows the answer to and was spoken about in depth further back in thread. You have already made abundantly clear to the readers that you are not at liberty to discuss certain things in your position which should be accepted.

Tim is looking for the gotcha from you that he can use in the future to further his own personal agenda's at your cost. Possibly compromising you legally as well.

  Tim is all political. No matter what he says..  All roads lead to the election

 

[Tim Nelson]

  Tim is all political. No matter what he says..  All roads lead to the election

Silly indeed

 

[Tim Nelson]

He is trying to change and deflect.
 
What does it matter that the Association isnt the bargaining agent yet?
 
There are no JCBA negotiations going on.
 
You are just trying to throw as much fecal matter to the wall and see what sticks.
 
Do you think the people on the board dont have any intelligence and cant see right through your BS?

Repeat after me.  The TWU is obligated by the MOU to file a single carrier application.  An arbitrator is obligated to determine by July 9 if there needs to be a resolution.  The IAM has said it will only negotiate stand alone 'until' [IAM's words not mine] the NMB rules on a single carrier.   For DL142, the party may be over for the IAM since the truth will be rooted out but the IBT and AMFA will be ready to pounce.  Thankfully, at IAM141, we don't have anyone soliciting outside the association although there are now a few rumblings about write in voting for TWU.

 

[700UW]

The horse is dead.
 
We have discussed this over and over, you will see the association file it, starting the process of voting on the alliance.
 
Pat has told you over and over, the document is legal and binding that its in the lawyers hands.
 
Where did you get you're J.D. at?
 
How many meetings have you been in on behalf of the IAM, with the TWU and legal staff?
 
You are just trying to sew the seeds of hate and discontent once again.
 
The members have spoken they are not interested in the IBT, they got their butt kicked in the election and AMFA got eight votes on the US side.

 

[Tim Nelson]

700
you should focus on the MX pages.  Seems as if AMFA and IBT are waiting around for that Association vote as they are educating the members that the IAM is blowing smoke up everyone's asses.  I hope this isn't what is keeping fleet service hostage to ultimatums and demands with no open doors.

 

[WeAAsles]

Laughable.  Exactly what compromise is there in admitting that the Association doesn't represent anyone presently and that the NMB doesn't recognize it as representing anyone?  I'll swing over to the TWU FB board and ask you straight up in front of your own members. then I'll cut and paste it here.   Ill also add to that page that a few TWU members here are assisting in this ridiculousness of claims that the TWU will not be held responsible for the MOU. 
 
The sad reality is that the current ultimatum strategy will not only affect all US AIRWAYS members with wages lower than AMR, but the wages may be substantially lower so that you will be affected in your 2015 wage parity.  You will be just as much to blame as the current leadership is that has chosen to put politics ahead of the members and blow up talks, just like they did at United when they left a last offer of 10% on the table and took ZERO.

When did any TWU member say that the TWU would not be held responsible for the MOU? Whatever in the world that even means?

Are you on something? Maybe you need to go back and reread the thread? I think you're selling whatever you can, anywhere you can that you're losing track of what was said and where?

You're doing great there Romney.

 

[WeAAsles]

The horse is dead.
 
We have discussed this over and over, you will see the association file it, starting the process of voting on the alliance.
 
Pat has told you over and over, the document is legal and binding that its in the lawyers hands.
 
Where did you get you're J.D. at?
 
How many meetings have you been in on behalf of the IAM, with the TWU and legal staff?
 
You are just trying to sew the seeds of hate and discontent once again.
 
The members have spoken they are not interested in the IBT, they got their butt kicked in the election and AMFA got eight votes on the US side.

I thought AMFA got 7? Or was that the AGW? LMFAO.....

 

[700UW]

700
you should focus on the MX pages.  Seems as if AMFA and IBT are waiting around for that Association vote as they are educating the members that the IAM is blowing smoke up everyone's asses.  I hope this isn't what is keeping fleet service hostage to ultimatums and demands with no open doors.

Take your own advice, you are always changing and spinning the subject.
 
The IBT got their butt kicked at US and AMFA got eight votes.
 
You are the biggest factor in why there is no solidarity, you spew hate and discontent for  your own personal gain.
 
You have been on a power quest for over 20 years, how does it feel to never have achieved it and lose every district and international election where you ran for office?
 
You are the Washington Generals of the IAM.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Take your own advice, you are always changing and spinning the subject.
 
The IBT got their butt kicked at US and AMFA got eight votes.
 
You are the biggest factor in why there is no solidarity, you spew hate and discontent for  your own personal gain.
 
You have been on a power quest for over 20 years, how does it feel to never have achieved it and lose every district and international election where you ran for office?
 
You are the Washington Generals of the IAM.

I'm very proud of all of my accomplishments. Although this isn't about me.  I'll just go over the MX board and see what is going on over there.  Thanks anyways.

 

[roabilly]

Ask yourself why Tim continues to hound you on an issue that he already knows the answer to and was spoken about in depth further back in thread. You have already made abundantly clear to the readers that you are not at liberty to discuss certain things in your position which should be accepted.

Tim is looking for the gotcha from you that he can use in the future to further his own personal agenda's at your cost. Possibly compromising you legally as well.

You are 100% correct! He is attempting to entrap anyone in a current Leadership position into compromising themselves either politically, or legally, or both.
Of... course this is for his own benefit... screw the Membership!