2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

TWU communications from the International updated their members in Local 501 a couple days ago regarding sAA fleet service clerks with the following statement, This suggest that a helping hands agreement is close.
 
"[SIZE=12pt]As for our displaced workers from EWR, PHL, and BDL I have been informed that our International is in the final stages of an agreement that will provide an opportunity for our members to return to their home stations. [/SIZE]

 

[WeAAsles]

TWU communications from the International updated their members in Local 501 a couple days ago regarding sAA fleet service clerks with the following statement, This suggest that a helping hands agreement is close.
 
"[SIZE=12pt]As for our displaced workers from EWR, PHL, and BDL I have been informed that our International is in the final stages of an agreement that will provide an opportunity for our members to return to their home stations. [/SIZE]

Why do you assume that this is a "Helping Hand" agreement or cross utilization?

Always hoping to sell that negative connotation aren't you there?  

 

[Tim Nelson]

Why do you assume that this is a "Helping Hand" agreement or cross utilization?

Always hoping to sell that negative connotation aren't you there?  

Not sure what is so negative about it.  I merely offered my opinion that it could be a helping hand agreement. I suppose it could be a new stand alone agreement assuming the NC thinks the company offer is a good one. IMO, the TWU most likely meant some side deal. That would mean that the company got something as well.  Time will tell.   I found the TWU's statement interesting and passed it along.

 

[mike33]

makes more sense to reason of it being a helping hands sorta agreement. It could be language incorporated into a new sUS stand alone agreement but that would suggest that this proposal sent to the NMB is a good one.  It could also be a new joint contract but that wouldn't make 'good sense'. The readers can make their own conclusions and I offered mine. Point is that the TWU says things are winding down to get many of the laid off workers back in their own stations. Providing important information to this site, as the information that the TWU put out, is interesting.

Or it could be that the cross flt activity from sUS to sAA warrants the return of people too their stations.......Maybe?
The problem i have with cross fleeting is, does it lessen the flight activity for each airline whereby it could affect the Boggie Number?

 

[WeAAsles]

Not sure what is so negative about it.  I merely offered my opinion that it could be a helping hand agreement. I suppose it could be a new stand alone agreement assuming the NC thinks the company offer is a good one. IMO, the TWU most likely meant some side deal. That would mean that the company got something as well.  Time will tell.   I found the TWU's statement interesting and passed it along.

I don't think I would go jumping the gun on anything until whatever the agreement is comes out in full. Otherwise in your own words "the TWU most likely meant some side deal"

As for the company getting something in return, don't you think that it's economically foolish and redundant to pay for basically 2 operation when it can be rolled into one? Combining that into one operation in areas where our individual CBA's exclude us from each others locations but one in house (unionized) workforce already exists only makes good business sense.

Tim you're good at understanding the contracts but you're not very good at understanding the business. I think that's your Achilles heel.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Some of the EWR guys were saying they'd been offered a *potential* return to their home station,which would involve them coming back as 'new hires' with zero seniority AND the added incentive of a $2.00 per hour pay cut.

Suffice to say no one from EWR leapt on such a tempting offer.

Keep in mind,this is only what they are telling me. I have no way of verifying the claim.

 

[WeAAsles]

Some of the EWR guys were saying they'd been offered a *potential* return to their home station,which would involve them coming back as 'new hires' with zero seniority AND the added incentive of a $2.00 per hour pay cut.

Suffice to say no one from EWR leapt on such a tempting offer.

Keep in mind,this is only what they are telling me. I have no way of verifying the claim.

At this point anything that has details attached is straight out of the rumor mill and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is an official announcement.

 

[DFWFSC]

At this point anything that has details attached is straight out of the rumor mill and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is an official announcement.

What JFK said is true. It was explained at one of the DFW union meetings. I haven't heard of anybody doing it yet though.

 

[mike33]

That is true. It was explained at one of the DFW union meetings. I haven't heard of anybody doing it yet though.

They need to consider it though. Its a little sacrifice but i can tell you from experience that when the JCBA comes they will get their seniority back with pay.....  TWU and IAM have already agreed to seniority. You may find that with JBCA there may not be a position avail to you. JMO from experience

 

[ograc]

At this point anything that has details attached is straight out of the rumor mill and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is an official announcement.

Patience is a virtue. Let's wait for official announcements before jumping to conclusions. The membership should not be mislead by speculation and interpretation. I realize DL 141 elections are in June. I respect the forecast and speculation of opposition candidates. Let's see where we are at in June. in the meantime... we must stand united behind those fighting for the common good of the membership. 

 

[robbedagain]

I would consider that to be a slap in the face given that youre in that station that was outsourced  or whatever the case be  then go back at 0 everything  and wait out for jcba  which will take God knows how long  esp when dealing with the donkeys running the airline

 

[DFWFSC]

They need to consider it though. Its a little sacrifice but i can tell you from experience that when the JCBA comes they will get their seniority back with pay.....  TWU and IAM have already agreed to seniority. You may find that with JBCA there may not be a position avail to you. JMO from experience

There are hundreds of FSCs at DFW who were Rif'd and would love to go back to their old stations. Most don't mind the $2 pay cut cause their paying rent in DFW and mortgage back home, so they will still come out ahead. Most don't trust either union and fear of loosing their AA seniority after a JCBA.... scared of some loophole where they loose everything.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't think I would go jumping the gun on anything until whatever the agreement is comes out in full. Otherwise in your own words "the TWU most likely meant some side deal"

As for the company getting something in return, don't you think that it's economically foolish and redundant to pay for basically 2 operation when it can be rolled into one? Combining that into one operation in areas where our individual CBA's exclude us from each others locations but one in house (unionized) workforce already exists only makes good business sense.

Tim you're good at understanding the contracts but you're not very good at understanding the business. I think that's your Achilles heel.

You have little understanding my brother. Very little.  You must first get it through your head that your new management doesn't give anything to a union, even if it makes sense on a business standpoint, without getting something in return. Sorry, WeAAsles, this isn't a charity.  Also, you have little if any experience in mergers and helping hands. Most of us have been through 4 mergers already.  I agree with you that it would make sense for the company to just be nice fellas but that isn't how these sorta things work brother.

 

[WeAAsles]

You have little understanding my brother. Very little.  You must first get it through your head that your new management doesn't give anything to a union, even if it makes sense on a business standpoint, without getting something in return. Sorry, WeAAsles, this isn't a charity.  Also, you have little if any experience in mergers and helping hands. Most of us have been through 4 mergers already.  I agree with you that it would make sense for the company to just be nice fellas but that isn't how these sorta things work brother.

Sorry Tim. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. By all means I will concede. You are far smarter than I am. Never a point in arguing with a man who has a Masters in Theology. Those Warton school grads will never see you coming. 😀

 

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