2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
 I will never apologize to freedom for voting yes. What you should do is apologize to all the members who endorsed your candidates regarding the 2008 agreement if you feel that way. I don't fee that way,  but to each his own. 
 
He probably got a 4$ raise. Thats the play the company used. 
Your political play is to chastise the people you endorsed because of what?......I think the US NC is doing a good job and I'm not about to throw them under the bus because an opposition candidate says so. Unless you can show me at this time why?.......I'm not buying your BS to get elected........No secrets ...Remember?
 
" i'll tell you this if you promise not to put it on the internet"  BS..... 
 
The masses....Do you really know what the MASSES are saying or are you engulfed in your circle !

You can say what you want about me, but you are hypocritical to bust all over Freedom who listened to YOUR candidates who told him to vote Yes.  Own up, they aren't my candidates!  You are the one who thinks that somehow the same guys who 'hammered us' with the 2008 US AIRWAYS agreement and endorsed the UA POS agreement, and now can't negotiate their way out of a closet and have to resort to 'release' bull ****, are somehow going to gain the skill set to know what the hell they are doing.  Sorry fellas, not going to happen, unfortunately.  The whole idea of a release is now foregone so what is their plan?  I told everyone what was going to happen but you guys didn't listen.  Now we are stuck with a negotiation strategy that fell apart.  Nice Job!

 

[737823]

I'll say this about the IAM they lost a lot of.credblity with me when they halved my projected pension pay out . I have little to no faith in the IAM pension and if we have to switch back to the 401k I won't shear any tears.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

As usual... the closer Nelson gets to a defeat, the more unraveled he comes! Take “Jet Job” for instance – Nelson was 100% sure it was DL, and slandered him to for over a year for it. Now... he’s convinced it’s someone named “Joe” from UNITED! I guess DL must be a pretty good dude, because most folks would have sent a legal cease and desist by now!
 
All of this leads me to believe that another chapter in political mud-slinging will have no effect on the current team. As a matter of fact... it is having the opposite effect!
All of the feedback I’m getting indicates a major loss for UFC!
 
Meanwhile, our leaders have been doing their jobs, and diligently pursuing an agreement for PMUS, just as the Membership mandates.
 
Stay Strong Fleet... make sure you VOTE in June...
 

Lol  Oh goodness!
 
Doing their job in what way over 6 years?  That's the question so please tell us what they have done?  
 I've asked you a few times exactly what have they done in 6 years other than these same guys brining back a terrible 2008 contract at US AIRWAYS, destroying contracts at HAL and UAL, and now employing a negotiation strategy that just fell apart since there will now be no release?  Are we to now believe they will suddenly develop the skill set needed to learn how to negotiate finally? 
 
Your boys will suffer great pain mr roabilly. I'm fairly certain of it and with good reason I believe it's going to be an absolute blowout.  They haven't done a thing and haven't accomplished anything.  Now their failed strategy has blown up in their faces as I told you it would.  No release now, so what are they going to say now?
 
Let me refresh your memory of what your anti union boys have done:
 
1. Negotiated and recommended the 2008 US AIRWAYS POS agreement that YOU hated and voted against and campaigned against [but you flip and give them your support now]
2. Negotiated and recommended and endorsed the POS United agreement
3.  Most of your boys were laughed at in their own locals and didn't even get their home nomination.  If those who know them best refused to endorse them then it is only political that you would campaign for them.
 
Actually, the Team Delaney ticket is the sorriest bunch I have ever seen as far as job performance.  One doesn't have to look into the future to see how inept and anti union these vegas free loaders truly are. 
 
You claim to be anti Republican, yet your boys have helped the Republicans and corporate greed better than any union leaders I have ever seen.   Just terrible.  Thankfully, June will be here soon enough!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Josh

With the release now a foregone conclusion, just as I said it would most likely be, we need to refocus these negotiations and instead of dumping more wages into the IAMPF as Mr Fairbanks said he would, we should focus on wage and 401k match to compliment the IAMPF.  IMO, it makes no sense for Fairbanks to divert wages into the IAMPF or to further address the IAMPF without first addressing a 401k match.  And I think most of our members would rather have the money in the wage instead of diverting any further wages into the IAMPF which was looted against our members once before by our union. But Fairbanks listens to Delaney and Tom Reagon.
 
Regarding the release, we informed the members that it most likely wasn't going to happen as the company would drag things out with this negotiation strategy. Not saying it wasn't a worthy path but to sit and do nothing other than expect a release was foolish by Team Delaney.  Now what is their plan? 
 
Moving forward, we also will see other things fall into place as I said.  Doesn't mean I'm a prophet, just means that this whole thing is a process.  The TWU will either file single carrier or June or resolve the issue by July.  That's a fact other than it could allow the Association to file it if the company consented.  The company will consent as it doesn't care who files it as long as it is filed and the contracts are followed.
 
The single carrier ruling will be in September, although AMFA is thinking it has to be ready by August.  AMFA may be right. 
 
Unlike Team Delaney, who lied to the United members and after an election they opted out of stand alone talks and got the United members, nothing,  I will do whatever I can to persuade us to stay in stand alone talks until we get a fair agreement.  I will also press for more wage and/or a match for the 401k prior to diverting wages and increased retirement into the IAMPF.
 
Hopefully, the NC puts things on pause before it recommends another sellout agreement.  I'm not against them bringing back a agreement and recommend a rejection and get a rejection to get the consent and authority of the members though.  I mean the bottom line is that these guys truly need to stop the deal making and discrete games and allow our members to see the company proposals and the union proposal.  WTH?

 

[blue collar]

As usual... the closer Nelson gets to a defeat, the more unraveled he comes! Take Jet Job for instance Nelson was 100% sure it was DL, and slandered him to for over a year for it. Now... hes convinced its someone named Joe from UNITED! I guess DL must be a pretty good dude, because most folks would have sent a legal cease and desist by now!
 
All of this leads me to believe that another chapter in political mud-slinging will have no effect on the current team. As a matter of fact... it is having the opposite effect!
All of the feedback Im getting indicates a major loss for UFC!
 
Meanwhile, our leaders have been doing their jobs, and diligently pursuing an agreement for PMUS, just as the Membership mandates.
 
Stay Strong Fleet... make sure you VOTE in June...
 

I was under the impression that bluto was Lehive, and jet job was Bartz. Don't follow this thread too closely though

 

[Tim Nelson]

In 6 years, Team Delaney has decided to refuse to follow the district bylaws by refusing to give to our local chairpersons the quarterly grievance report of all resolutions and dissolutions and withdrawals.  Why Roabilly Why?
 
Did you all know that Gill Simmons withdrew a slew of other grievances just recently?  Trouble is that he didn't tell some folks in PHL and now they are even more pissed off at him because they found out from management.
 
These free loaders don't tell anyone about the grievances, and bury other grievances in the Bermuda triangle for YEARS as they waive off the contractual time limits virtually all the time.  
 
Hopefully, Team Delaney will finally bring a quarterly report to the chairman's conference after I brought this to their attention and will flush this bylaw violation out more in the coming weeks.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Another reason why we should be negotiating and settling on a 3 prong retirement is that for those over 50, you have more investment options as they can make catch up contributions, as opposed to those under 50.  Under the strict guidance of the IAMPF, the money and control is gone to the IAMPF as restrictions abound for members.   When negotiating, we need to do what's best for the members, i.e., instead of just blindly dumping more wage and/or other benefits into the IAMPF which can be stripped,  any TA needs to have a 401k match prior to dumping more of our money into the IAMPF.  Consider the following
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303626804579505420937676760?ru=yahoo?mod=yahoo_itp&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303626804579505420937676760.html%3Fru%3Dyahoo%3Fmod%3Dyahoo_itp

 

[700UW]

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[blue collar]

You do realize outing someone on the board is a terms of service violation.

I didn't see anyone outed.

Since you're so well versed in the terms of service, why do you choose to only follow some of them?

 

[Tim Nelson]

You do realize outing someone on the board is a terms of service violation.

Well then Roabilly violated the policy a lot blowing smoke up everyone's ass telling folks that I was Josh or any one of another dozen posters. You are pretty good at quoting board violations to me, how about quoting them to yourself and Roabilly as well?
 
You need to redouble your efforts anyways over with MX because it looks like AMFA is gaining steam with the TWU MX.  Don't want to lose your gig do you?

 

[700UW]

I have no gig.
 
Keep up the lies.
 
And you have attempted to out Dave and Joe.
 
That is a board violation.
 
And I didnt post about Roa and you.
 
I posted what you did, nice try at a change and deflection.

 

[Tim Nelson]

What are you the board police now 700?
 
What's going on with AMFA at AMR?  Can you give us an update on their target of a August petition?

 

[700UW]

Never said I was the board police, I have been outed by others before, so tuff lucka as you say.
 
And you will have to ask the American Mechanics about AMFA.

 

[mike33]

Another reason why we should be negotiating and settling on a 3 prong retirement is that for those over 50, you have more investment options as they can make catch up contributions, as opposed to those under 50.

  We have a 401k....and yes there is a catchup...there is no Match but the  Match would be less than the amount the company puts into the NPF which is not coming from me. The 1.05$ an HR is actually more than a .05 % match that the company might provide. If i catchup at $500 a paycheck, thats $1000 a month times x .05% = $50.    
  The company contributes $1.05 per hr.........  160 hrs per month times $1.05 = $168x12 mo = $2016 per yr.
Most companies only match 3-5% so i used the higher amount and it is even a lesser amount from the company because they only match 3-5% on 50% of your salary.
 
So,
 
  In 5 years your company match would be $3000 
  in 5 years your company contribution to the NPF is $ 10,080 ( i use 5 yrs for vesting purposes ) . 
 
At 5 yrs vested you would withdraw $250 per month retirement $50 per yr vested ( $50 is the rounded figure)
If you withdraw from the 401k amount of $3000 would if be $250 per month?  and how long would that be for hoping you got a 10% return on you money every yr?
 
All the above are based just on the amounts that don't come out of you pocket.

 

[Tim Nelson]

  We have a 401k....and yes there is a catchup...there is no Match but the  Match would be less than the amount the company puts into the NPF which is not coming from me. The 1.05$ an HR is actually more than a .05 % match that the company might provide. If i catchup at $500 a paycheck, thats $1000 a month times x .05% = $50.    
  The company contributes $1.05 per hr.........  160 hrs per month times $1.05 = $168x12 mo = $2016 per yr.
Most companies only match 3-5% so i used the higher amount and it is even a lesser amount from the company because they only match 3-5% on 50% of your salary.

Yes, you do have a 401k but with no company contribution.  But it makes no sense to dump more of our money into the IAMPF without first getting a match for a 3 prong.  Most of our members would prolly want the extra money from the company dumped into wage or 401k instead of tossing more into a fund that can be slashed at a future date.  See 2010 drop dead letter.
 
At any rate, the IAMPF is much less of a cost for the company when compared to the 5.5% it matches for a AMR employee.  Team delaney is inaccurate when it falsely claims otherwise.  Remember, the 5.5% on $23 including overtime smokes the IAMPF company contribution which is restricted against overtime and only paid out on $20.57.  Also take into account that 40% of our members only have .65 cents an hour tossed into their IAMPF by the company.  Never mind that the IAM taxes 40% of our members an additional credit tax since most can't make the 32 hour weekly requirement.  Even some full timers who like to swap will have their credit slashed and get a minimal benefit.   Thanks IAM!   Some part timers will only be getting a benefit of about $15 buck a month which is quite appalling.