2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

Unless you have a mole or snitch of course it has to be Al Hemenway.

 

[P. REZ]

Tim,
 
You flip flop so much I can't remember if we have leverage or not, please tell me where we are this week according to you.
 
P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
You flip flop so much I can't remember if we have leverage or not, please tell me where we are this week according to you.
 
P. Rez

Here's another tidbit our members should know,  you want to tell them about your ideas to just bring out an offer, as opposed to an agreement and have them vote on it because you guys are too political to recommend a rejection?
You guys are like the keystone cops as you honestly have no idea what you are doing and have screwed up the last 3 years and have no earthly idea what to do. 
"My guy" knows.  LMAO

 

[P. REZ]

On a serious note, your NC has had the interests of all employees at US at all times. This Company has done many things over the course of our negotiations that has pissed us off. However, we now sit in a position where we could get a TA out to you in the near future and it pisses me off that TN wants to come on here and talk his s**t. I have been on here explaining what the Company has offered in the past and it really sucked. Let's see what we can come up with and when and then we will go from there. Stay strong. 
 
P. Rez  

 

[737823]

Are you just plain stupid too?
 
John and I shared an office way back in the day, I was editor, he was webmaster.
 
John was working in the Communications Department at Headquarters and had nothing to do with US and its negotiations.
 
What is your obsession with John?
 
I have never blamed the City of Charlotte for anything, and my job wasnt outsourced at US.

You were editor of Victory News.

No obsession. So why isn't Carr communications for transportation department if that is his territory?

Josh

 

[mike33]

I'll be putting out an update on where you guys are at in a few weeks if you haven't closed the gap on scope and settled up by then, and continue to be embarrassed to put out where you guys are at.  You guys think you have the market on what is transpiring in negotiations?   Maybe you don't know who "My Guy" is? 
 
Our membership will be properly informed on the mess in negotiations, although you don't think it is a mess, but I think our membership will.  The only thing you can say if that garbage comes out is "We will do much better in Joint talks."    But myself and others who know about leverage understand that joint talks has less teeth than section 6 and that they are terribly lengthy.

Why a few weeks??...  Why not put it out now?......you seem top have all the info right now !  What is a few weeks gonna do ?
 
  Oh....wait....thats right....There is a meeting in DFW this week !!!!   SO things might change !!!   Show me the TA Mr Nelson..
 
  I wouldn't put it past AH to be using you.

 

[P. REZ]

Here's another tidbit our members should know,  you want to tell them about your ideas to just bring out an offer, as opposed to an agreement and have them vote on it because you guys are too political to recommend a rejection?
 
"My guy" knows.  LMAO

What are you saying? The teams idea or my idea?

 

[charlie Brown]

Here's another tidbit our members should know,  you want to tell them about your ideas to just bring out an offer, as opposed to an agreement and have them vote on it because you guys are too political to recommend a rejection?
 
"My guy" knows.  LMAO

Ok here's one for you.
Let's say you were on the negotiations team. And you got us all to agree to put the companies last POS out to the members and we recommend a rejection. And let's say we still had 6 main issues we are arguing at the time. We recommend a rejection and the members vote and it gets rejected by a 60% no vote. What do you think you and Nc chances of now getting anywhere close to those 6 issues for everyone. Because I guarantee you, the company won't see a 60% rejection. They will see a 40% approval and think they aren't that far off. Surely you know this already, especially if your on the joint talks team. Good luck to us all if you think your going to keep leverage by showing the members proposals before you get an agreement in principle.

 

[ograc]

You can have the best grievance person representing you on the planet but if you continue to 'short change' yourself and our membership with reps who have no idea how to negotiate and have a history of blowing up contracts and not paying attention to language, insomuch as there is more gray in their contracts than what is on a USS battleship then it really won't matter about grievances because grievances are only as strong as the language.  So your argument is a strawman argument.  That said, they are terrible at grievances as well since they sign mutual agreements with Hemmingway to table time limits.  Gill Simmons just pissed all over PHL again by tossing out and withdrawing dozens of more grievances without anyones consent and without one closeout letter.  You, partner, are destroying fleet service by arguing for a bunch of reps who have done nothing but destroy fleet service.  You, partner, have NOTHING you can show that your boys did in 6 years, yet you support them because they got you an extra Cinderealla year last month in the ta that bridges your station for 2 years into your retirement.  And that's really what we are talking about.  Don't get me wrong, everyone votes for a personal reason but less than two years ago, you wanted to toss these guys out as well.  Why, because you were on a ballot. 
 
Take a good look at the pic below, by clicking the link,  because that is all that we have, and all that we will ever get with reps who have no skill set on language.  You see that pic?  Look at all the gray on that Battleship.  Look again.  Ok, now read your contract and the United contract and you will see that there is more gray in your contract than that ship.
 
Battleship vs Contract....Which one has more gray?
 
 

It's true I ran two years ago with a team of candidates running for AGC on the US side that brought years of experience to the table of representing grievances. Your fellow candidates bring none. They may be well respected and popular in their respective stations but how does that benefit the member who needs effective grievance representation when seeking remedial action. The strategy of the UFC team is to throw past experience out the window. The strategy is to turn this election into a popularity contest for votes and keep the focus on contract negotiations. Stay away from qualifications for the position you seek. Not in the best interest of the membership IMO.   

 

[ograc]

You can have the best grievance person representing you on the planet but if you continue to 'short change' yourself and our membership with reps who have no idea how to negotiate and have a history of blowing up contracts and not paying attention to language, insomuch as there is more gray in their contracts than what is on a USS battleship then it really won't matter about grievances because grievances are only as strong as the language.  So your argument is a strawman argument.  That said, they are terrible at grievances as well since they sign mutual agreements with Hemmingway to table time limits.  Gill Simmons just pissed all over PHL again by tossing out and withdrawing dozens of more grievances without anyones consent and without one closeout letter.  You, partner, are destroying fleet service by arguing for a bunch of reps who have done nothing but destroy fleet service.  You, partner, have NOTHING you can show that your boys did in 6 years, yet you support them because they got you an extra Cinderealla year last month in the ta that bridges your station for 2 years into your retirement.  And that's really what we are talking about.  Don't get me wrong, everyone votes for a personal reason but less than two years ago, you wanted to toss these guys out as well.  Why, because you were on a ballot. 
 
Take a good look at the pic below, by clicking the link,  because that is all that we have, and all that we will ever get with reps who have no skill set on language.  You see that pic?  Look at all the gray on that Battleship.  Look again.  Ok, now read your contract and the United contract and you will see that there is more gray in your contract than that ship.
 
Battleship vs Contract....Which one has more gray?
 
 

Very true. Good language makes it easier to effectively represent grievances. The membership and even yourself pays no attention to improvements in any of these Articles. A candidate for AGC should be paying a little more attention to the Articles in the contract that have an equal impact on the working conditions of the members. I support the memberships' choice of candidates. Some are in it for the paycheck. Many IMO are doing the best they can under the current circumstances. Which is easier to produce... hollow promises or results? Let's wait and see what transpires in DFW this coming week. I have to believe though if a TA is reached, no matter what gains are achieved, we can expect your position to be negative. With the elections at the door; I fully understand that.

 

[Tim Nelson]

On a serious note, your NC has had the interests of all employees at US at all times. This Company has done many things over the course of our negotiations that has pissed us off. However, we now sit in a position where we could get a TA out to you in the near future and it pisses me off that TN wants to come on here and talk his s**t. I have been on here explaining what the Company has offered in the past and it really sucked. Let's see what we can come up with and when and then we will go from there. Stay strong. 
 
P. Rez  

^^^^^^Bull Shitter Alert^^^^^^^^
 
Bring it out!  And if you don't offer an acceptance or rejection then I will. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Why a few weeks??...  Why not put it out now?......you seem top have all the info right now !  What is a few weeks gonna do ?
 
  Oh....wait....thats right....There is a meeting in DFW this week !!!!   SO things might change !!!   Show me the TA Mr Nelson..
 
  I wouldn't put it past AH to be using you.

 

It's true I ran two years ago with a team of candidates running for AGC on the US side that brought years of experience to the table of representing grievances. Your fellow candidates bring none. They may be well respected and popular in their respective stations but how does that benefit the member who needs effective grievance representation when seeking remedial action. The strategy of the UFC team is to throw past experience out the window. The strategy is to turn this election into a popularity contest for votes and keep the focus on contract negotiations. Stay away from qualifications for the position you seek. Not in the best interest of the membership IMO.   

That's ridiculous. There is more experience on this team than any other opposition team ever.

 

[P. REZ]

^^^^^^Bull Shitter Alert^^^^^^^^
 
Bring it out!  And if you don't offer an acceptance or rejection then I will. 

Telling us when you are getting ready to talk now? lol

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok here's one for you.
Let's say you were on the negotiations team. And you got us all to agree to put the companies last POS out to the members and we recommend a rejection. And let's say we still had 6 main issues we are arguing at the time. We recommend a rejection and the members vote and it gets rejected by a 60% no vote. What do you think you and Nc chances of now getting anywhere close to those 6 issues for everyone. Because I guarantee you, the company won't see a 60% rejection. They will see a 40% approval and think they aren't that far off. Surely you know this already, especially if your on the joint talks team. Good luck to us all if you think your going to keep leverage by showing the members proposals before you get an agreement in principle.

First off,  my concern is the members, not management.  What AH sees doesn't concern me as much as the membership giving consent and sticking together.  As an AGC, I would use a rejection to show the company that the membership gave the leadership the consent to hang in there for more.  If I were AH I would be thinking I was kicking your asses right now, which he is. He is also doubting that you have the slightest membership consent and that you are deeply afraid that the membership will approve any ole flimsy thing you put in front of them.  At some point, you got to call AH"s bull crap and make the call to the membership about the proposal.  Cripes, is this so F hard?  You guys are scared and fearful of your own shadows!  Step aside and get out of the way!   Sheesh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok here's one for you.
Let's say you were on the negotiations team. And you got us all to agree to put the companies last POS out to the members and we recommend a rejection. And let's say we still had 6 main issues we are arguing at the time. We recommend a rejection and the members vote and it gets rejected by a 60% no vote. What do you think you and Nc chances of now getting anywhere close to those 6 issues for everyone. Because I guarantee you, the company won't see a 60% rejection. They will see a 40% approval and think they aren't that far off. Surely you know this already, especially if your on the joint talks team. Good luck to us all if you think your going to keep leverage by showing the members proposals before you get an agreement in principle.

Alas, at least you finally "Fess Up" and say the last offer was a POS.  That's not what you told the members in your email blast.  You and the other Delaney mouthpieces said the last two meetings were great and if there is just a wee bit more progress then there may be an announcement.  Get your story straight at least.  Which is it, a POS, or great progress that a bit more will be a big announcement? 
 
If it's a POS, then issue a rejection.  What's the fuss?  I think you guys have caused enough damage in your desperate political mode.  Really, what the hell have you guys done at all other than Bull shitted about a release that NOW is not coming due to YOUR movement downwards.  And you want folks to think you have their best interest? Puh leeeeassseeeeeee.  Get a life!