2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[pjirish317]

Tim,
You are being intellectually dishonest here. The P/T fleet at US dont all pay double the insurance that F/T does, now do they. Only if said P/T employee chooses coverage that is not just for themselves. So to say they all do is somewhat a falsehood. Only those P/T employees that have coverage above employee only do the rates skyrocket compared to F/T. Employee only rates are quite similar in cost. Please tell the whole truth when talking tim, not just what you want people to hear. And I ONLY addressed the insurance here so please do not bring up the other items as they have zero bearing on the insurance discussion.

 

[Harry Callahan]

PJ:
Tim tell the truth roflmao.
 
Harry

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim,
You are being intellectually dishonest here. The P/T fleet at US dont all pay double the insurance that F/T does, now do they. Only if said P/T employee chooses coverage that is not just for themselves. So to say they all do is somewhat a falsehood. Only those P/T employees that have coverage above employee only do the rates skyrocket compared to F/T. Employee only rates are quite similar in cost. Please tell the whole truth when talking tim, not just what you want people to hear. And I ONLY addressed the insurance here so please do not bring up the other items as they have zero bearing on the insurance discussion.

I guess on this what would need to be considered is how many people under the PT status are married and or married with children? They may only take the "Single" option because they could not afford the rates for other dependents? But Tim absolutely should have factored in that reality as it puts a true face on those costs in your contract.

 

[pjirish317]

weAAsles,

That is tim's M.O. Put a broad statement out there just to put himself in a positive light and not give all the details. Always ploitical spin.

 

[WeAAsles]

weAAsles,

That is tim's M.O. Put a broad statement out there just to put himself in a positive light and not give all the details. Always ploitical spin.

PJ I knew you were going to say that. And I know Tim's MO very well, lol. Most of the readers have figured it out as well by now too. With Tim you have to read between the lines to dissect the truth and then you have to cut out the parts that are only meant to forward the agenda. It's really not that hard to do actually.

But I have to also say that he does sometimes bring up interesting and valid points that can create a good debate. Preferably leaving Charlie McCarthy out of the act.

 

[cltrat]

it will be most interesting to see where the positive light is in a few days.

 

[Other People]

weAAsles,

That is tim's M.O. Put a broad statement out there just to put himself in a positive light and not give all the details. Always ploitical spin.

Tim comes on here and gives facts, then you come on here and add nothing but blame Tim. 
 
He is spot on, and always has been, even though I questioned him like you presently do. I've read his post the last several days and he sounds like a member who is very upset about added concessions in your talks.  I don't see anything political about his facts. 
 
Somehow he gets inside information that is not well received by members because it flies in the face of what Rich Delaney may have told your group.  Much easier to be comfortable believing a lie.  After we found out that Tim was the truthful one, we realized that we were played by officers who told us lies.  I'm not expert on usair but it seems like the current officers have a dozen of you coming on here blaming Tim for everything when he hasn't done anything wrong but stood up for all of our members. 
 
Tim knows who I am and he didn't take anything personal that I used to throw his way last year when I got blistering mean with him. We respect him in ord and we will deliver for him and his whole team.

 

[Other People]

Tim,
You are being intellectually dishonest here. The P/T fleet at US dont all pay double the insurance that F/T does, now do they. Only if said P/T employee chooses coverage that is not just for themselves. So to say they all do is somewhat a falsehood. Only those P/T employees that have coverage above employee only do the rates skyrocket compared to F/T. Employee only rates are quite similar in cost. Please tell the whole truth when talking tim, not just what you want people to hear. And I ONLY addressed the insurance here so please do not bring up the other items as they have zero bearing on the insurance discussion.

where does it say that?

 

[Tim Nelson]

where does it say that?

Me bets he cant find it.

 

[pjirish317]

other people,

I can respect your views, all I ask is that you respect mine. tim does sometimes have some very good and valid poits, few and far between imo, but some none the less. With that said, he states things in a very broad way as to be interperated a certain way and not the whole truth of the matter. Just as I see it. So I bash him as you say to bring the entire story to light not just what he wants to tell. With regards to his "inside knowledge" as to our ongoing negotiations, I"ll wait and see for myself.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
You are being intellectually dishonest here. The P/T fleet at US dont all pay double the insurance that F/T does, now do they. Only if said P/T employee chooses coverage that is not just for themselves. So to say they all do is somewhat a falsehood. Only those P/T employees that have coverage above employee only do the rates skyrocket compared to F/T. Employee only rates are quite similar in cost. Please tell the whole truth when talking tim, not just what you want people to hear. And I ONLY addressed the insurance here so please do not bring up the other items as they have zero bearing on the insurance discussion.

Kindly cite in the contract where it says PT pays same as FT for individual? 

 

[Tim Nelson]

other people,

I can respect your views, all I ask is that you respect mine. tim does sometimes have some very good and valid poits, few and far between imo, but some none the less. With that said, he states things in a very broad way as to be interperated a certain way and not the whole truth of the matter. Just as I see it. So I bash him as you say to bring the entire story to light not just what he wants to tell. With regards to his "inside knowledge" as to our ongoing negotiations, I"ll wait and see for myself.

Please bring the entire story about part timers paying same as full timers on individual insurance?

 

[pjirish317]

 

Me bets he cant find it.

So are you saying I'm wrong? Because My bet is that you can't find the rates for P/T employees either in the CBA.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

IMO, that's a dealbreaker, & nonsense like that should never see the light of day...

ANY allowance for outsourcing will get a NO vote from me.

 

[pjirish317]

tim,
I stand correted. Page 139/140. I does state "eligable P/T rates are two times the F/T rates" My apologies for my mistake.